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I think to test to see if I'm CPU bound, it would be better to see if CPU is running at 100% load rather then log fluctuation in GPU load.

In Battlefield 4, Bl2, Planetside 2, sc2, every single game i've ever tested, my GPU was either at 100% load or i was CPU limited.

If your GPU is at 70% load, then that's just an averaged stat saying it's idle and waiting for instructions 30% of the time - which means that you could get a ~1.44x increase in FPS, theoretical max, if it was not doing that - or a ~44% increase in graphical demand without loss of FPS, cause it'd be idle anyway.

Sorry if you said this before (thread went on for aaaaaaages! biggrin.gif) but you're only on a ~1920x1200 monitor? You really have to watch xfire 290 and pump up graphics/resolution sample etc because it's really easy to be cpu bound unless they're busy with a higher resolution like 1440p (like 1.7x as high) or 4k (~3.6x)
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Don't Let Your Powerful Cards Sit Idle while Gaming:

If you have the horsepower use it in BF4 and other games!

Cyro999, what makes you so smart sir/miss?

I suspected I had everything on Ultra, which I did, but then followed with your suggestion of upping the Resolution Scale from 100% to 145%.

I get in the game and low and behold everything is so sharp and the view distance is so clean that people without this capability will be handicapped in game. The screen looked like it could have been 1600p or something, it almost seemed photo realistic!!!

And look at the pic below, you were right the r9 290s were sitting around doing nothing at 1200p but once you ask more of them by upping the Resolution Scale they produce at a consistent GPU usage while my experience remained butter smooth!



+ rep to you!

Oh, and I still can't get over those amazing temps!
 
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Don't Let Your Powerful Cards Sit Idle while Gaming:

If you have the horsepower use it in BF4 and other games!

Cyro999, what makes you so smart sir/miss?

I suspected I had everything on Ultra, which I did, but then followed with your suggestion of upping the Resolution Scale from 100% to 145%.

I get in the game and low and behold everything is so sharp and the view distance is so clean that people without this capability will be handicapped in game. The screen looked like it could have been 1600p or something, it almost seemed photo realistic!!!

And look at the pic below, you were right the r9 290s were sitting around doing nothing at 1200p but once you ask more of them by upping the Resolution Scale they produce at a consistent GPU usage while my experience remained butter smooth!
  Warning: Spoiler! (Click to show)


+ rep to you!

Oh, and I still can't get over those amazing temps!

 

Glad to see you are now able to push your system and enjoy it. 

 

Holy smokes Fujipoly!  There was significant modification to cooling as a whole, but they wouldn't have come down that far just from the radiator/fans.

 

Nice job with the external radiator :thumbsups I relied on this before as well when coping with Phenom II X6 and HD4890 heat in a Xigmatek case that was NOT watercooling friendly

 

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Don't Let Your Powerful Cards Sit Idle while Gaming:

If you have the horsepower use it in BF4 and other games!

Cyro999, what makes you so smart sir/miss?

I suspected I had everything on Ultra, which I did, but then followed with your suggestion of upping the Resolution Scale from 100% to 145%.

I get in the game and low and behold everything is so sharp and the view distance is so clean that people without this capability will be handicapped in game. The screen looked like it could have been 1600p or something, it almost seemed photo realistic!!!

And look at the pic below, you were right the r9 290s were sitting around doing nothing at 1200p but once you ask more of them by upping the Resolution Scale they produce at a consistent GPU usage while my experience remained butter smooth!



+ rep to you!

Oh, and I still can't get over those amazing temps!

^.^ <3

Glad you got awesome results. 1.45 res scale = 2784x1740 (higher than 1600p) downscaled - so you're basically running 1600p and sampling down the data, instead of displaying it (because the screen does not have enough pixels)

1.5x res scale is probably better if you're going that high - it's easier to scale by 2/3 on each axis than by the weird multipliers needed for 1.45x. That would make 2880x1800 (1800p on 16:10, so about 1.4x 1440p!)

You're definately GPU bound to some extent at this point though, so could affect performance. If your performance is good enough though, you're likely CPU limited during the times of lower FPS, so same idea of keeping the floor in the same place while lowering the ceiling for increased quality


Since you only have a 1200p60 monitor, have you thought about 1080p120 or 1440p/1600p60+?
Edited by Cyro999 - 4/18/14 at 5:23pm
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Thanks guys!

Yes Cyro999, will go with 1.4 then! My next upgrade will be a 1440p 120Hz monitor once they come down in price.

Don't forget Roboyto that I did screw up on the thickness of the EK pads, so the right thickness on the Fujipoly is also what made the significant temp improvement as well.

Now I can play BF4 while overclocked and resolution scaled to boot while everything stays cool including the VRMs!
Edited by Gunderman456 - 4/18/14 at 5:32pm
 
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Thanks guys!

Yes Cyro999, will go with 1.4 then! My next upgrade will be a 1440p 120Hz monitor once they come down in price.

Don't forget Roboyto that I did screw up on the thickness of the EK pads, so the right thickness on the Fujipoly is also what made the significant temp improvement as well.

Now I can play BF4 while overclocked and resolution scaled to boot while everything stays cool including the VRMs!

 

Ah, I did forget about that.  Do you have thermal pads between the backplate and the VRMs as well?  I've been meaning to do this, just haven't gotten around to it. 

 

Those VRM temps will likely continue to fall as time goes on.  When I first changed mine VRM1 was within 1-2C of core at all times.  Now, almost 2 months later, VRM1 at idle is 6C under core and under 100% gaming load stays 4-6C under the core. 

 

Curious if your larger temp difference between core/VRM1 is due simply to much more rad space, or if (you are using) the thermal pads with the backplates.

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Yes, I am using the EK thermal pads that came with the EK backplates.
 
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Thanks guys!

Yes Cyro999, will go with 1.4 then! My next upgrade will be a 1440p 120Hz monitor once they come down in price.

Don't forget Roboyto that I did screw up on the thickness of the EK pads, so the right thickness on the Fujipoly is also what made the significant temp improvement as well.

Now I can play BF4 while overclocked and resolution scaled to boot while everything stays cool including the VRMs!

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Good Way to test Optimal Resolution Scale in BF4:

Methodology;

I used Fraps, logged the FPS benchmark info and then migrated the saved files into Excel to create the chart.

Alright, so I tested BF4 Resolution Scale playing the exact same scene in the Campaign using 100%, 140% and 150% and here are the results;



As you can see we go from an average of 135fps at 100% Resolution Scale to an average of 77fps at 150% Resolution Scale.

More interestingly, at 140% Resolution Scale, the minimum frame rate touches 60fps, so maybe 130% Resolution Scale will guarantee a consistent 60fps+ and keep the frames over my monitor's 60Mhz refresh rate. However, considering that this may be a one off frame, I will try 150% as the average is still over 60fps and see and if not butter smooth, stick with 140%.

After benching and testing in game, you can also determine what works best for you.
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More interestingly, at 140% Resolution Scale, the minimum frame rate touches 60fps, so maybe 130% Resolution Scale will guarantee a consistent 60fps+ and keep the frames over my monitor's 60Mhz refresh rate.

Just because you have 60 frames in the last second, does not mean that each of them took exactly 1/60'th of a second. Some are faster than others, some slower, so it's best to just target something like 90% of frames ~12ms or faster. You can see that from frametime fraps benches +frafsbenchviewer, or the bf4 tool thing that some guy on OCN made for exactly that

Given that data, i'd just set 1.33x res scale (like sampling down from 2560x1600 to 1920x1200)
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