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Hi there,

I've decided to build a cheap (ish) Mini ITX build. I have a bunch of spare parts lying around that I'm planning on incorporating into this build, but not a motherboard or processor.

Here are the two builds I'm looking at:

Haswell:
  • Asus Maximus VI Impact (~$225) or Asus Z87I-Deluxe (~$190)
  • Intel Core i5-4670K (~$240)

Ivy Bridge:
  • Asus P8Z77-I Deluxe (~$165)
  • Intel Core i5-3570K (~$210)

I know the general rule is to buy the newest hardware out there, but it seems as though the performance of Haswell is lackluster . Is it really worth spending at least an extra $50 to get 3-5% gains (over Ivy Bridge), and a couple more SATA 6 ports?
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there are other advantages. You have the slightly less useless APU. IIRC the haswell will also clock higher if you're willing to use water. It multithreads a bit better, and there are the two new instruction sets, assuming anyone ever uses them, of course. the 1150 socket will also be used for Broadwell, so Intel has one more chance to get their thumb out on this hardware.

There is a reason they are still almost the same price. I think it becomes a gamble on whether you think you can get a longer life out of the haswell chip because of future adoption of avx2 and fma3, or that broadwell will be worth adopting.
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there are other advantages. You have the slightly less useless APU. IIRC the haswell will also clock higher if you're willing to use water. It multithreads a bit better, and there are the two new instruction sets, assuming anyone ever uses them, of course. the 1150 socket will also be used for Broadwell, so Intel has one more chance to get their thumb out on this hardware.

There is a reason they are still almost the same price. I think it becomes a gamble on whether you think you can get a longer life out of the haswell chip because of future adoption of avx2 and fma3, or that broadwell will be worth adopting.

Thanks for the reply!

If I did go with the Haswell build, I probably wouldn't be upgrading to Broadwell. Half the draw of Haswell/Ivy Bridge (for me) is the inclusion of PCI 3.0 and SATA 3.0, two things my LGA1366 board lacks. The next big thing that would convince me to upgrade will be DDR4, and I don't think that will be available until Skylake (2015-2016).

However, I will be watercooling, several water blocks and a couple of radiators are some of the "spare parts" I have lying around. If Haswell does overclock a bit better on water, that could be a selling point for me.
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When going MITX Haswell completely wins over for me because the M6 Impact has way better audio.
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When going MITX Haswell completely wins over for me because the M6 Impact has way better audio.

Although that does make the board look quite appealing, I actually already have a standalone amp and DAC that I will be using with this rig.
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if you are looking for upgrade then your cpu I7 920 can play all games max at 1080p, just need good Gpu and my advice is buy new gpu when your cpu can't hold games then go new cpu new mobo and the gpu will go transfare to that build


if you are building completely another build then I say go haswell for at least the features that new mobos have and they are worth specially you are looking at Asus impact mobo plenty of gaming things in it,
also the internal gpu is better so if you want to run 2 monitors , you can let your discrete card play games on 1 monitor and 2nd monitor be a desktop/youtube/net browsing etc... runing from internal
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Originally Posted by thisischuck01 View Post

Hi there,

I've decided to build a cheap (ish) Mini ITX build. I have a bunch of spare parts lying around that I'm planning on incorporating into this build, but not a motherboard or processor.

Here are the two builds I'm looking at:

Haswell:
  • Asus Maximus VI Impact (~$225) or Asus Z87I-Deluxe (~$190)
  • Intel Core i5-4670K (~$240)

Ivy Bridge:
  • Asus P8Z77-I Deluxe (~$165)
  • Intel Core i5-3570K (~$210)

I know the general rule is to buy the newest hardware out there, but it seems as though the performance of Haswell is lackluster . Is it really worth spending at least an extra $50 to get 3-5% gains (over Ivy Bridge), and a couple more SATA 6 ports?

Might want to look at the ASROCK z87e itx board as well. At your local micro center its $109 with purchase of an CPU($199 for i5 4670k). Can't beat that deal, the board is right in line quality wise with the ROG Asus too.
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if you are looking for upgrade then your cpu I7 920 can play all games max at 1080p, just need good Gpu and my advice is buy new gpu when your cpu can't hold games then go new cpu new mobo and the gpu will go transfare to that build


if you are building completely another build then I say go haswell for at least the features that new mobos have and they are worth specially you are looking at Asus impact mobo plenty of gaming things in it,
also the internal gpu is better so if you want to run 2 monitors , you can let your discrete card play games on 1 monitor and 2nd monitor be a desktop/youtube/net browsing etc... runing from internal

I am looking to upgrade, but like I said it doesn't really have to do with the performance of the processor. Half of the reason why has to do with chipset features (PCI-E 3.0/SATA 3.0). Besides that, I'm looking for something that is a bit more portable. That is a good point you bring up with the IGP, though, I hadn't even thought of that!
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Originally Posted by ZippyPinhead View Post

Might want to look at the ASROCK z87e itx board as well. At your local micro center its $109 with purchase of an CPU($199 for i5 4670k). Can't beat that deal, the board is right in line quality wise with the ROG Asus too.

Unfortunately, I live in Rochester and not New York City, so the nearest Micro Center almost three hours away. I did check out the ASRock Z87E, and liked it, but the features of the Asus Z87-I Deluxe and Asus P8Z77-I Deluxe were enough to convince me to spend a bit more.
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