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I'm not worried about compatibility, I've built some fairly complicated computers before. And from what I configured from Dell I can save ~$500.00 Which is worth it I would say.

What I'd really like to nail down is the components, reliable hard drives, server processors and whatnot.

No. Its not worth it at all. Consider this overly exaggerated scenario:

Scenario 1:
IT infrastructure manager (you) and ICT manager agree to build from-scratch 2 brand new servers for VMware. You calculate this saves the organization $1,000. Each server will be connect to a Fibre Channel SAN for VMware storage. However, servers themself are built by hand, with server components (server motherboard, ECC memory and enterprise disks). The servers do not have a maintenance plan.

You run everything up, install VMware, configure the virtual machines. Perhaps you are running Citrix or RDS, so you set up your Citrix farm too. Everything is going smoothly for 6 months - then one morning, the support calls are rolling in to your help desk. You are informed that the users of the organization cannot logon to their computers, and cannot use their apps on Citrix or RDS. You check it out - one of your servers has a faulty motherboard and VMware will not start - unfortunately the DHCP server, and primary domain controller is on that VMware server.

Do you have a spare motherboard on hand? Does the manufacturer get out on the same day to replace it? ... Nope! Your business relies on your Citrix/RDS farm which is not operating. One critical application is on a Citrix/RDS farm member that is on the failed VMware box... the business is losing money as time ticks while you arrange a replacement motherboard. You experience 1-3 days downtime while you migrate and bring up the virtual machines on the second VMware server, hoping that doesn't fail too! (you had a backup right?)


Scenario 2: You decide to purchase 2 brand new servers from HP with the warranty and on-site hardware options. You configure each server the same as the above. The same thing happens - the motherboard fails in one of the HP servers. You call HP. They come out and replace the board on the same day and everthing is soon enough back online.
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You all are way overestimating this server I think. It's a glorified NAS with a small mrp system on it. The business is tiny, 14 employees total, and all the data from our database is under 100MB.

So worst case scenario, anything breaks, and I boot up the old server and update the last backup and we deal with a slower system for two days until the part comes in. And if that fails? We could probably go for about a week without the system before anything bad happens. That happens to be a luxury of the kind of business we have to some degree. It wouldn't be fun having to update a week worth of data, but we wouldn't lose any business over it.

Also, we are located kind of out in the middle of nowhere, would HP fly out someone to fix a $2,000.00 server? It seems unlikely to me. But I could be wrong.
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You all are way overestimating this server I think. It's a glorified NAS with a small mrp system on it. The business is tiny, 14 employees total, and all the data from our database is under 100MB.

So worst case scenario, anything breaks, and I boot up the old server and update the last backup and we deal with a slower system for two days until the part comes in. And if that fails? We could probably go for about a week without the system before anything bad happens. That happens to be a luxury of the kind of business we have to some degree. It wouldn't be fun having to update a week worth of data, but we wouldn't lose any business over it.

Also, we are located kind of out in the middle of nowhere, would HP fly out someone to fix a $2,000.00 server? It seems unlikely to me. But I could be wrong.

We're just looking at the title: "Very long lasting". And you bet HP will - if you paid for the correct maintenance plans and what not.
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We're just looking at the title: "Very long lasting". And you bet HP will - if you paid for the correct maintenance plans and what not.

The intention of the title was to get recommendations on the best components that you may have used or know about that performed very well over a longer or overused time period.
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The thing is that for that purpose we all plan for the equipment to not make that long of a life cycle. We recommend using the oem servers because we don't "trust" anything to "hopefully" last that long. We buy oem with a service plan because we assume it won't last and when it doesn't then its less of a headache if you can get them to handle it.

It is fun to build a server, but it is un-fun times the number of managers asking about it to fix it.
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@OP

If you're that hell-bent on saving money, at least hit eBay and buy a Dell C1100. OK, Dell may no longer support it, but it's server-class hardware - if you're going to self-build I recommend Supermicro hardware - and assume nothing catastrophic happens, you'll get a bargain. If it doesn't come with a RAID controller, get a PERC 6/i for $50-$100.

For hard drives, get a couple Western Digital RE4 drives (5 year warranty) for storage.
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