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PCPartPicker part list: http://pcpartpicker.com/p/22HPK
Price breakdown by merchant: http://pcpartpicker.com/p/22HPK/by_merchant/
Benchmarks: http://pcpartpicker.com/p/22HPK/benchmarks/

CPU: AMD FX-6300 3.5GHz 6-Core Processor ($119.99 @ Newegg)
Motherboard: MSI 970A-G46 ATX AM3+ Motherboard ($69.99 @ Microcenter)
Memory: Crucial Ballistix Sport 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1600 Memory ($59.99 @ Newegg)
Storage: Seagate Barracuda 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($59.98 @ OutletPC)
Video Card: PowerColor Radeon HD 7870 XT 2GB Video Card ($163.98 @ Newegg)
Case: Thermaltake Level 10 GTS (Black) ATX Mid Tower Case ($59.99 @ Newegg)
Power Supply: Rosewill Hive 650W 80+ Bronze Certified Semi-Modular ATX Power Supply ($49.99 @ Newegg)
Optical Drive: Samsung SH-224DB/BEBE DVD/CD Writer ($14.99 @ Newegg)
Operating System: Microsoft Windows 7 Home Premium SP1 (OEM) (64-bit) ($89.00 @ Amazon)
Total: $632.90
(Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available.)
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post #12 of 15
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I spent a long time doing research on the performance differences between consoles and PC...

Apparently you need twice the CPU+GPU on a PC to match a console....even this big shot named "John Carmack" said so.

http://img836.imageshack.us/img836/9999/vum.png

I did some math to calculate what kind of CPU and GPU would it take to match.

GPU: The ps4 has a GPU that has 1.84 teraflops, x2 that and you get 3.68 teraflops. The 7970 has 3.79 teraflops at $280 so I think I'm going with that.

CPU: The PS4/xbox1 CPU is in between a A4-5000 and A6-5200, that would about make it a benchmark 2179.5 on cpubenchmark.net. The PS4/xbox1 are using 2 of the same CPU so lets multiply that benchmark by 2 which equals 4359. Now lets multiply that by 2 again because it takes x2 performance for a PC to match a console and you have 8718. I say any CPU above 8718 on cpubenchmark.net would be good enough to match the next gen consoles, so CPUs such as the fx8350 or E3-1230 V2.

I might get something like this when I can afford it.

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant / Benchmarks

CPU: AMD FX-8350 4.0GHz 8-Core Processor ($179.99 @ Microcenter)
Motherboard: Biostar A960D+ Micro ATX AM3+ Motherboard ($39.99 @ SuperBiiz)
Memory: Kingston Black Series 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1600 Memory ($46.99 @ Mac Mall)
Storage: Western Digital AV-GP 500GB 3.5" 5400RPM Internal Hard Drive ($42.94 @ Amazon)
Video Card: PowerColor Radeon HD 7970 3GB Video Card ($279.99 @ Newegg)
Case: Rosewill FBM-01 MicroATX Mini Tower Case ($22.49 @ Amazon)
Power Supply: Antec Basiq 500W ATX Power Supply ($51.32 @ OutletPC)
Optical Drive: Lite-On iHAS124-04 DVD/CD Writer ($14.99 @ Newegg)
Operating System: Microsoft Windows 7 Home Premium SP1 (OEM) (64-bit) ($89.00 @ Amazon)
Total: $767.70
(Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available.)
(Generated by PCPartPicker 2013-11-16 00:28 EST-0500)
post #13 of 15
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Originally Posted by gizmo J View Post

I spent a long time doing research on the performance differences between consoles and PC...

Apparently you need twice the CPU+GPU on a PC to match a console....even this big shot named "John Carmack" said so.

http://img836.imageshack.us/img836/9999/vum.png

I did some math to calculate what kind of CPU and GPU would it take to match.

GPU: The ps4 has a GPU that has 1.84 teraflops, x2 that and you get 3.68 teraflops. The 7970 has 3.79 teraflops at $280 so I think I'm going with that.

CPU: The PS4/xbox1 CPU is in between a A4-5000 and A6-5200, that would about make it a benchmark 2179.5 on cpubenchmark.net. The PS4/xbox1 are using 2 of the same CPU so lets multiply that benchmark by 2 which equals 4359. Now lets multiply that by 2 again because it takes x2 performance for a PC to match a console and you have 8718. I say any CPU above 8718 on cpubenchmark.net would be good enough to match the next gen consoles, so CPUs such as the fx8350 or E3-1230 V2.

I might get something like this when I can afford it.

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant / Benchmarks

CPU: AMD FX-8350 4.0GHz 8-Core Processor ($179.99 @ Microcenter)
Motherboard: Biostar A960D+ Micro ATX AM3+ Motherboard ($39.99 @ SuperBiiz)
Memory: Kingston Black Series 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1600 Memory ($46.99 @ Mac Mall)
Storage: Western Digital AV-GP 500GB 3.5" 5400RPM Internal Hard Drive ($42.94 @ Amazon)
Video Card: PowerColor Radeon HD 7970 3GB Video Card ($279.99 @ Newegg)
Case: Rosewill FBM-01 MicroATX Mini Tower Case ($22.49 @ Amazon)
Power Supply: Antec Basiq 500W ATX Power Supply ($51.32 @ OutletPC)
Optical Drive: Lite-On iHAS124-04 DVD/CD Writer ($14.99 @ Newegg)
Operating System: Microsoft Windows 7 Home Premium SP1 (OEM) (64-bit) ($89.00 @ Amazon)
Total: $767.70
(Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available.)
(Generated by PCPartPicker 2013-11-16 00:28 EST-0500)

Go with a better board, get an 8320 to save a few $$$, or even a 6300 would do. (The 8320 is worth it though)
1866 RAM doesn't cost much/if any more, and I know AMD performs a bit better with better memory, I'd go with a 1TB drive too. A lot better bang for the buck.
A used 7950 would be great value, but the 7970 is good value too since it's new, would dump the DVD drive and install from a USB, and get a bit better PSU. Rosewill, Silverstone or Seasonic. There are others but generally these are good, (along with the better corsair ones).

EDIT: Also, get a aftermarket CPU cooler. 8320's don't run cool, even at stock. Get something like a Hyper 212+ or whatever is good, I don't know about budget heatsinks anymore though haha.
Edited by Matt-Matt - 11/16/13 at 1:42am
 
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Convertible i5 3570k (De-Lidded) Gigabyte Z77x-D3H XFX R9 290 With Koolance Block (1179/1450) 16GB G-Skill Ares 1866 
Hard DriveHard DriveHard DriveHard Drive
Samsung 840 Evo Seagate Barracuda 2TB Western Digital Green 2TB Samsung Spinpoint 1TB 
Hard DriveOptical DriveCoolingCooling
Western Digital Green 640GB 2x OEM DVD Drives Heatkiller Rev 3.0 XSPC RX360 
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Laing D5 + XSPC Res Primochill Bloodshed Red Tubing Koolance Fullcover R9 290x Block Windows 10 Pro x64 
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AudioOther
Microlab Solo6c Logitech C100 Webcam 
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Core 2 Quad Q6600 ASUS P5Q Pro Gigabyte 5870 4GB OCZ "Vista Upgrade" 
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Corsair XMS2 4GB 1TB Samsung Spinpoint F3 Pioneer DVD/RW Noctua NH-U12P 
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CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
Convertible i5 3570k (De-Lidded) Gigabyte Z77x-D3H XFX R9 290 With Koolance Block (1179/1450) 16GB G-Skill Ares 1866 
Hard DriveHard DriveHard DriveHard Drive
Samsung 840 Evo Seagate Barracuda 2TB Western Digital Green 2TB Samsung Spinpoint 1TB 
Hard DriveOptical DriveCoolingCooling
Western Digital Green 640GB 2x OEM DVD Drives Heatkiller Rev 3.0 XSPC RX360 
CoolingCoolingCoolingOS
Laing D5 + XSPC Res Primochill Bloodshed Red Tubing Koolance Fullcover R9 290x Block Windows 10 Pro x64 
MonitorMonitorMonitorKeyboard
Asus VEH228H Asus VE228H Aavara TS742 Dual Monitor Stand Ducky Shine II Cherry Blue RED Backlit Mechanic... 
PowerCaseMouseMouse Pad
Silverstone Strider 850W HAF 932 Logitech G400 Gigabyte Ghost 
AudioOther
Microlab Solo6c Logitech C100 Webcam 
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
Core 2 Quad Q6600 ASUS P5Q Pro Gigabyte 5870 4GB OCZ "Vista Upgrade" 
RAMHard DriveOptical DriveCooling
Corsair XMS2 4GB 1TB Samsung Spinpoint F3 Pioneer DVD/RW Noctua NH-U12P 
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post #14 of 15
Gizmo,

I like your approach, but would ask if you have considered whether or not the overhead requirements on the PC side are not more of a constant that used to translate to about "double" years ago, but now may just be a margin of extra umpf that should be added to a computer. The "double" rule may have been more accurate 10 years ago when the OS was highly bloated compared to the available consumer hardware. Nowadays, even entry level hardware handles the big OSes with ease. I'd be willing to bet that these days, the "double" rule is probably going to result in a bit of an overshoot, but still, it's probably an excellent goal to have "assured minimum" performance that is guaranteed better than the console.


If I had to pick between the FX-8XXX series, or the E3-1230 XX series, the E3 is, IMO, the way to go unless the FX chip is overclocked a lot. Reasoning comes down to performance in poorly threaded but compute intensive games like Starcraft II, Supreme Commander 2, Many MMORPGs, all while running within a thermal envelope that calls for less investment in motherboard VRMs and CPU HSFs.
     
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
FX-8350 990X EVO R2.0 Sparkle GTX460 768MB ballistix tactical 2 x 8GB 
Hard DriveHard DriveOptical DriveCooling
Toshiiba THNSNH 256GB Enterprise RE3 1TB Asus BD combo drive Artic A30 
OSMonitorMonitorMonitor
Manjaro Linux Samsung 21.5" LCD E2009WFP E2009WFP 
PowerCase
Seasonic G 550W Modular Fractal Design Core 3500 
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
FX-6300, 4.7 GHZ@1.43V GA-970A-UD3P GTX 460 768MB Mixed DIMMs. 2x4GB + 2x8GB @ 1600-8-8-8 
Hard DriveHard DriveHard DriveHard Drive
Toshiba THNSNH 19nm 256GB 1TB Spinpoint F3 WD RE3 1TB WD RE3 1TB 
Optical DriveCoolingOSOS
yes CM Seidon 120V SolydK OpenSuse 13.1 
OSOSMonitorMonitor
Linux Mint 9-32 bit // Linux Mint 17-64 bit  Manjaro Xfce Samsung 21.5" HannsG 21.5" sideways! 
KeyboardPowerCaseMouse
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CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
A10-6800k 4.8GHZ @ 1.375V, 1.2GHZ iGPU Gigabyte GA-F2A85XN-WIFI HD8670D Ripjaws 
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Seagate ST1000DM003 Asus BC-12B1ST/BLK/B/AS Zalman CNPS5X Linux Mint 15 
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CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
FX-8350 990X EVO R2.0 Sparkle GTX460 768MB ballistix tactical 2 x 8GB 
Hard DriveHard DriveOptical DriveCooling
Toshiiba THNSNH 256GB Enterprise RE3 1TB Asus BD combo drive Artic A30 
OSMonitorMonitorMonitor
Manjaro Linux Samsung 21.5" LCD E2009WFP E2009WFP 
PowerCase
Seasonic G 550W Modular Fractal Design Core 3500 
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
FX-6300, 4.7 GHZ@1.43V GA-970A-UD3P GTX 460 768MB Mixed DIMMs. 2x4GB + 2x8GB @ 1600-8-8-8 
Hard DriveHard DriveHard DriveHard Drive
Toshiba THNSNH 19nm 256GB 1TB Spinpoint F3 WD RE3 1TB WD RE3 1TB 
Optical DriveCoolingOSOS
yes CM Seidon 120V SolydK OpenSuse 13.1 
OSOSMonitorMonitor
Linux Mint 9-32 bit // Linux Mint 17-64 bit  Manjaro Xfce Samsung 21.5" HannsG 21.5" sideways! 
KeyboardPowerCaseMouse
Sticky ATNG Rosewill Green 630W NZXT Gamma Basic Microsoft corded 
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
A10-6800k 4.8GHZ @ 1.375V, 1.2GHZ iGPU Gigabyte GA-F2A85XN-WIFI HD8670D Ripjaws 
Hard DriveOptical DriveCoolingOS
Seagate ST1000DM003 Asus BC-12B1ST/BLK/B/AS Zalman CNPS5X Linux Mint 15 
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post #15 of 15
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Originally Posted by mdocod View Post

Gizmo,

I like your approach, but would ask if you have considered whether or not the overhead requirements on the PC side are not more of a constant that used to translate to about "double" years ago, but now may just be a margin of extra umpf that should be added to a computer. The "double" rule may have been more accurate 10 years ago when the OS was highly bloated compared to the available consumer hardware. Nowadays, even entry level hardware handles the big OSes with ease. I'd be willing to bet that these days, the "double" rule is probably going to result in a bit of an overshoot, but still, it's probably an excellent goal to have "assured minimum" performance that is guaranteed better than the console.


If I had to pick between the FX-8XXX series, or the E3-1230 XX series, the E3 is, IMO, the way to go unless the FX chip is overclocked a lot. Reasoning comes down to performance in poorly threaded but compute intensive games like Starcraft II, Supreme Commander 2, Many MMORPGs, all while running within a thermal envelope that calls for less investment in motherboard VRMs and CPU HSFs.

Are you sure?

Because I watched Killzone shadow fall on YouTube and the graphics look AMAZING, it looks like Crysis 2 on max settings + it runs in 60fps!

It seems realistic that a 8350+7970 would be necessary to match that performance....it seems extremely unlikely that a x4 760k+7870 would do that...but I'll try to do more research on the matter.
Edited by gizmo J - 11/16/13 at 1:39pm
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