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This....this and this! I've had three qnix's, people claim they have "great black levels" WELL YOU CAN'T SEE ANY DETAILS IN THOSE "BLACK LEVELS"! just a black outline. Also no point buying good GPU's cause when you O.C. it the gamma shift kills your game textures mad.gif Tempest is the best looking 1440 O.C. monitor, has warranty.....and better motion clarity I.M.O. but it has COIL WHINE although you can fix this by modding or use 60hz while not gaming as it usually happens only during white screens. GET THE TEMPEST thumb.gif

Do you have a calibration device like a spyder elite ? If not you can't really expect to be able to overclock and have the gamma be right with the qnix. Using other peoples profiles is a poor substitute, every monitor is different even at factory defaults.
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post #52 of 65
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Originally Posted by JoHnYBLaZe View Post

This....this and this! I've had three qnix's, people claim they have "great black levels" WELL YOU CAN'T SEE ANY DETAILS IN THOSE "BLACK LEVELS"! just a black outline. Also no point buying good GPU's cause when you O.C. it the gamma shift kills your game textures mad.gif Tempest is the best looking 1440 O.C. monitor, has warranty.....and better motion clarity I.M.O. but it has COIL WHINE although you can fix this by modding or use 60hz while not gaming as it usually happens only during white screens. GET THE TEMPEST thumb.gif

Even the tempest could come with horrific default gamma levels. Most of these monitors require to be calibrated to have even close to accurate colors and gamma. I recommend to everyone to calibrate their display. Overclocking just moves the gamma shift slightly which requires a second run through calibration. You get what you pay for, meaning if you want no gamma shift during OC get a tempest or any other IPS overclockable screen. If you don't mind putting a little(and i do mean little) effort into your VERY cheap(for the monitor) purchase then get a PLS panel for often half the price.

Honestly for me saving 300 dollars to just sit for about 10 minutes in calibrate is worth it. Heck you could take that 300 bucks in savings and buy a pro monitor calibrator and not only have money left over but turn around and calibrate every monitor in your house with it. If you want to spend an extra 300+ to avoid a simple 10 minutes calibration process then fine but i can imagine many users here would rather work a little and save a LOT.

Th whine can also be fixed by having a good headset or sound system to go along with your monitor(the whine is not THAT bad, i put my power brick under my desk in my wiring harness sleeve and can barely hear it now). Also the motion clarity shouldn't be detectably better since the response times are less than 1ms from each other. Lastly the warranty can be compensated by getting squaretrade(usually 30-50) and if you are very worried by warranty quality then go buy a mainstream monitor. These korean monitors are mainly about risk > gain.

So bottom line I would say they both have potential benefits and negatives. Do your research and make an informed decision. And i would get the cheaper IPS overclocking monitor over the tempest because they are the same panel, why pay 2x as much for a "off brand - name brand" it kinda defeats the purpose.
post #53 of 65
How can you properly calibrate a display without OSD & LUT?

Another disadvantage is that with high refreshrates, panel flaws become more visible with my model (ugly blotches etc.). I can't stand such degradations, that's not why I bought a PLS monitor.

Nevertheless, I'm happy with PLS. Black levels are ok and colors really look very pleasant. Thanks to no input lag, I'm having great fun in SP & MP games@75Hz.
I think I wouldn't like crystal effect of S-IPS, I experienced it once with that 180€ Dell thingie and I had my share.
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How can you properly calibrate a display without OSD & LUT?

Another disadvantage is that with high refreshrates, panel flaws become more visible with my model (ugly blotches etc.). I can't stand such degradations, that's not why I bought a PLS monitor.

Nevertheless, I'm happy with PLS. Black levels are ok and colors really look very pleasant. Thanks to no input lag, I'm having great fun in SP & MP games@75Hz.
I think I wouldn't like crystal effect of S-IPS, I experienced it once with that 180€ Dell thingie and I had my share.

Everyone buying these panels have a Graphics card due to hte need for a scaler. Both mainstream graphics venders(nvidia, AMD) have drivers with calibration properties for color. Also plenty of people opt to buy a color calibrator. Non of these options require an OSD. Also those are likely not panel flaws, they are issues with the way it is mounted in the bezel and/or dust in between the panel and the glass. All of which can be fixed by a quick dis-assembly of the panel and cleaning/mounting. Take a look at the debezel and custom mount thread dedicated for the Qnix. Not even sure how a higher refresh makes this more apparent though.

Nevertheless if your happy your happy. This panel is kinda "some assembly required" and will give you as much performance as you put into it. Every issue i have seen to date(other than complete failures) have been mostly to marginally fixable.

Bezel issues, stand complaints, uniformity, gamma, BLB and other issues are ALL fixable even at overclocked speeds it just takes some reading and effort. I think if i were to go back before i got the panel and read everything on the forum in terms of fixing these mute issues and then get the monitor i could fix every problem(given it had EVERY problem) in less than an hour. As i said before saving 300+ dollars for 1 hour of maintenance is a steal for 1440p@120hz + PLS(and the stand/debezel is included in that hour).

This is like buying a corvette for 3 grand and having to replace 500 bucks in parts to make it perfect. Then people saying it is too much work buying one for 6 grand with no issues. The logic behind some of the comments here escapes me. doh.gif
post #55 of 65
GPUs most likely don't have anything similar like a 10bit LUT.
How am I supposed to calibrate it right? I raised gamma, corrected the tone in various ways, but it still looks worse than with 75Hz.

I already opened it to remove the glass. I dunno why such artifacts increase with high refresh rates, but they do.
post #56 of 65
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GPUs most likely don't have anything similar like a 10bit LUT.
How am I supposed to calibrate it right? I raised gamma, corrected the tone in various ways, but it still looks worse than with 75Hz.

I already opened it to remove the glass. I dunno why such artifacts increase with high refresh rates, but they do.

Well it is not a 10bit panel nor does 10 bit help much if you don't have 10bit color through the whole process(panel > GPU > renderer > content). There are a mountain of guides online to calibrate monitors and TVs(google) but i like this site personally: http://www.lagom.nl/lcd-test/

I don't know what artifacts your seeing but i have not heard of ANY issue other than gamma and image retention from overclocking. If you are getting some sort of artifact from overclocking then it is likely a weak spot in the panel but every report of weak spots have been like a line that dims in a certain section, not a blotch like you are describing. Try getting a pic of it.
post #57 of 65
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Originally Posted by mboner1 View Post

Do you have a calibration device like a spyder elite ? If not you can't really expect to be able to overclock and have the gamma be right with the qnix. Using other peoples profiles is a poor substitute, every monitor is different even at factory defaults.
Matter of fact I have, and after three different qnix's I can confidently tell you, you WILL NEVER get good accuracy after you O.C. it......when I tell you I have obsessed over this....if you only knew! But some people just aren't that picky rolleyes.gif

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Originally Posted by Spartan F8 View Post

Even the tempest could come with horrific default gamma levels. Most of these monitors require to be calibrated to have even close to accurate colors and gamma. I recommend to everyone to calibrate their display. Overclocking just moves the gamma shift slightly which requires a second run through calibration. You get what you pay for, meaning if you want no gamma shift during OC get a tempest or any other IPS overclockable screen. If you don't mind putting a little(and i do mean little) effort into your VERY cheap(for the monitor) purchase then get a PLS panel for often half the price.

Honestly for me saving 300 dollars to just sit for about 10 minutes in calibrate is worth it. Heck you could take that 300 bucks in savings and buy a pro monitor calibrator and not only have money left over but turn around and calibrate every monitor in your house with it. If you want to spend an extra 300+ to avoid a simple 10 minutes calibration process then fine but i can imagine many users here would rather work a little and save a LOT.

Th whine can also be fixed by having a good headset or sound system to go along with your monitor(the whine is not THAT bad, i put my power brick under my desk in my wiring harness sleeve and can barely hear it now). Also the motion clarity shouldn't be detectably better since the response times are less than 1ms from each other. Lastly the warranty can be compensated by getting squaretrade(usually 30-50) and if you are very worried by warranty quality then go buy a mainstream monitor. These korean monitors are mainly about risk > gain.

So bottom line I would say they both have potential benefits and negatives. Do your research and make an informed decision. And i would get the cheaper IPS overclocking monitor over the tempest because they are the same panel, why pay 2x as much for a "off brand - name brand" it kinda defeats the purpose.

Moves the gamma slightly beyond the point of no return....I've had both monitors with the same train of thought "oh well I'll just calibrate, save money" axesmiley.png mission impossible. The cheaper monitor your referring to is a PLS not an IPS. Have you owned either? headscratch.gif The Qnix and X-star's have come up in price so your not saving 300 more like -200. The tempest has a legitmate warranty. If your planning on pushing the monitor full settings, 100+ hz, good GPU's, DON'T SKIMP ON THE MONITOR.......just a suggestion

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The black levels on the IPS screens are nothing to be proud of either, and coil whine is rather annoying... however, no distortion at high refresh rates is a massive plus.

You can see detail in black screens on an IPS monitor you actually know what your looking at, what good is black level if its just an ink blotch a EX: black car becomes a black silhouette of a car, and it's extremely annoying! The coil whine is also annoying but can be modded and only noticeable during white screens
post #58 of 65
Square trade warranties are legit, why do you think amazon uses them for their tv's? Alsowhy is it every time someone thinks something is better than another thing, they have to try and convince people who own the other thing that they shouldn't like it, because of "X" and they don't know anything, and dude I've owned 500 of em so I should know.
post #59 of 65
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Originally Posted by Spartan F8 View Post

Everyone buying these panels have a Graphics card due to hte need for a scaler. Both mainstream graphics venders(nvidia, AMD) have drivers with calibration properties for color. Also plenty of people opt to buy a color calibrator. Non of these options require an OSD. Also those are likely not panel flaws, they are issues with the way it is mounted in the bezel and/or dust in between the panel and the glass. All of which can be fixed by a quick dis-assembly of the panel and cleaning/mounting. Take a look at the debezel and custom mount thread dedicated for the Qnix. Not even sure how a higher refresh makes this more apparent though.

Nevertheless if your happy your happy. This panel is kinda "some assembly required" and will give you as much performance as you put into it. Every issue i have seen to date(other than complete failures) have been mostly to marginally fixable.

Bezel issues, stand complaints, uniformity, gamma, BLB and other issues are ALL fixable even at overclocked speeds it just takes some reading and effort. I think if i were to go back before i got the panel and read everything on the forum in terms of fixing these mute issues and then get the monitor i could fix every problem(given it had EVERY problem) in less than an hour. As i said before saving 300+ dollars for 1 hour of maintenance is a steal for 1440p@120hz + PLS(and the stand/debezel is included in that hour).

This is like buying a corvette for 3 grand and having to replace 500 bucks in parts to make it perfect. Then people saying it is too much work buying one for 6 grand with no issues. The logic behind some of the comments here escapes me. doh.gif

Wow, didn't see you bought it already, well like you said if your happy your happy thumb.gif Disagree with the corvette analogy, because these are two different panels and provide unique experiences. I would take the PLS over that 800$ dollar ASUS ROG TN panel even with G_SYNC and 120 hz
post #60 of 65
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The black levels on the IPS screens are nothing to be proud of either, and coil whine is rather annoying... however, no distortion at high refresh rates is a massive plus.

You can see detail in black screens on an IPS monitor you actually know what your looking at, what good is black level if its just an ink blotch a EX: black car becomes a black silhouette of a car, and it's extremely annoying! The coil whine is also annoying but can be modded and only noticeable during white screens


Watch a good, dark movie on a Panasonic plasma... it's eye opening. While IPS is better than PLS/TN and not quite as good as VA, LCDs as a whole are terrible when it comes to black levels/shadow detail, especially without local dimming.

But I'm not complaining, really. 1440p IPS at 115hz is as good as it gets right now! But 4K OLEDs can't come soon enough.
Edited by brucethemoose - 1/10/14 at 11:01pm
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