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Have they released any new 39" firmware?
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First of all, this thread is amazing. Have I read all 45 pages? No. It may come to that though.

I have the SE39UY04. It is connected to my desktop computer. The desktop has integrated graphics currently, an intel 4600 HD on an i5-4690k. I'll probably get a 970, but, they are currently unavailable and there's not much point if I can't get higher resolutions working. It is running through the VGA cable at 1920x1080x60. For 1080 VGA, it's pretty beautiful.

When I hook it up through HDMI, it tries to go into 3840x2160x30. Actually it used to do that, but since I've played with CRU now it's stuck at 3840x2160x24. What happens is it brings up the desktop in beautiful 4k - if I get up close to the screen I can see all the glory - for about half a second, before going black. Is this "blanking" that I've seen referred to in the thread, but never really described? After a few tries of this it brings up the blue screen of "NOT SUPPORT" (bsons). This is particularly frustrating since I can clearly see, for that half second, that 4k is working.

I've tried the factory firmware, both seiki 39" firmwares, the seiki 50" firmware, and at least one modded firmware linked in this thread. One of the modded firmwares made the image near the center of the screen blurry, the other did not. Strange! Overall the 50" firmware seems the best. There is no input lag that I can tell at 1080.

I just read a couple pages back about the possibility of using different cables. The HDMI cable I am using is the one included with the television. People talk about using DVI, but there is no DVI input on the tv. I do have another HDMI lying around that I will find and test. I may also get my hands on a DVI->HDMI cable.

One other funny story. When I first hooked it up - when booting my computer for the first time - it was through HDMI. It came up in 4k (IIRC) but with nothing but a black screen with a blinking cursor of motherboard death. Finally I thought to hook up an old monitor through VGA, which worked fine. After I installed windows I reconnected the Seiki through VGA, but it would only do 640x480 monochrome. It took a few updates of windows before the monitor was recognized and 1080 was allowed through VGA.

As a monitor, this thing is incredibly frustrating yet pretty awesome. Why is there no working firmware? Why does a tv not have working audio? Does anyone at Seiki even speak English? Who came up with the phrase "NOT SUPPORT"?

Okay now for the real question: does anyone have suggestions what I should change to get 4k working?
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First of all, this thread is amazing. Have I read all 45 pages? No. It may come to that though.

I have the SE39UY04. It is connected to my desktop computer. The desktop has integrated graphics currently, an intel 4600 HD on an i5-4690k. I'll probably get a 970, but, they are currently unavailable and there's not much point if I can't get higher resolutions working. It is running through the VGA cable at 1920x1080x60. For 1080 VGA, it's pretty beautiful.

When I hook it up through HDMI, it tries to go into 3840x2160x30. Actually it used to do that, but since I've played with CRU now it's stuck at 3840x2160x24. What happens is it brings up the desktop in beautiful 4k - if I get up close to the screen I can see all the glory - for about half a second, before going black. Is this "blanking" that I've seen referred to in the thread, but never really described? After a few tries of this it brings up the blue screen of "NOT SUPPORT" (bsons). This is particularly frustrating since I can clearly see, for that half second, that 4k is working.

I've tried the factory firmware, both seiki 39" firmwares, the seiki 50" firmware, and at least one modded firmware linked in this thread. One of the modded firmwares made the image near the center of the screen blurry, the other did not. Strange! Overall the 50" firmware seems the best. There is no input lag that I can tell at 1080.

I just read a couple pages back about the possibility of using different cables. The HDMI cable I am using is the one included with the television. People talk about using DVI, but there is no DVI input on the tv. I do have another HDMI lying around that I will find and test. I may also get my hands on a DVI->HDMI cable.

One other funny story. When I first hooked it up - when booting my computer for the first time - it was through HDMI. It came up in 4k (IIRC) but with nothing but a black screen with a blinking cursor of motherboard death. Finally I thought to hook up an old monitor through VGA, which worked fine. After I installed windows I reconnected the Seiki through VGA, but it would only do 640x480 monochrome. It took a few updates of windows before the monitor was recognized and 1080 was allowed through VGA.

As a monitor, this thing is incredibly frustrating yet pretty awesome. Why is there no working firmware? Why does a tv not have working audio? Does anyone at Seiki even speak English? Who came up with the phrase "NOT SUPPORT"?

Okay now for the real question: does anyone have suggestions what I should change to get 4k working?

Hi, the talks of using a DVI cable are by using a dvi to HDMI cable with a dvi cable attached. You also remove a pin (see the post about it). The TV does have working audio. You can't do audio through VGA.

Intel 4600 does support audio through hdmi, however, my experience has been that the drivers are really terrible for it and it may or may not decide to work. You will not be able to do an EDID override without a dedicate AMD or Nvidia card. Intel does not support the capability. This means you cannot use CRU or it will mess things up. It should allow you to use 4k mode, but again, intel driver support isn't that great and I wouldn't be surprised if it just didn't work as intended for you.

My suggestion is to drop 60 bucks on amazon and get an r7 240 if you are just going to use the screen for 4k video and such and want to mess around with custom resolutions.

To fix your issue with intel and running at 4k, I would suggest using the reset-all program that comes with CRU and hope that it works.

Hope I answered your questions.
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Have they released any new 39" firmware?

No.
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Thanks for the reply salamachaa.

My comment about audio was a joke. Reviews I have read say the tv has awful sound quality, hence why nobody uses it as a tv.

I tried a different HDMI cable, and...it worked. Sort of. It's in 3840x2160x24. Unfortunately about every 20 seconds it does still go black (blanking, I guess) for a couple of seconds. This is with the modded firmware. There is some input lag but it's not horrible. The biggest problem is that it takes a ton of work to move the mouse all the way across the huge screen.
Edited by jdorje - 10/12/14 at 11:05am
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Thanks for the reply salamachaa.

My comment about audio was a joke. Reviews I have read say the tv has awful sound quality, hence why nobody uses it as a tv.

I tried a different HDMI cable, and...it worked. Sort of. It's in 3840x2160x24. Unfortunately about every 20 seconds it does still go black (blanking, I guess) for a couple of seconds. This is with the modded firmware. There is some input lag but it's not horrible. The biggest problem is that it takes a ton of work to move the mouse all the way across the huge screen.

Oh XD sorry about that. I read that in the morning and didn't catch it.
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Oh XD sorry about that. I read that in the morning and didn't catch it.

Haha, no problem. I went into the "Intel HD Graphics Control Panel" and fiddled to get 4k desktop fully working. Specifically, I simply changed the 24 hz refresh rate back to 30 hz. Now desktop mode works perfectly (no blanking, good quality), at 3840x2160x30. Again, the key was when I swapped out the HDMI cable that came with the TV and was in port HDMI1, for a newer one from Amazon that I stuck in port HDMI3 (I'm assuming it's the cable, not the port, that made the difference). The UFO tests all look good, except for the frameskip one that in firefox was showing some obviously skipped frames (along with a warning that it was buggy in firefox). When I installed chrome, I can't see any frame skips on that test...but...I also can't get my camera to photograph more than 2 frames at once.

However, when I open a game, it basically always bugs out. The game wants to change the resolution to something lower, but it still uses GPU scaling which I have no idea how to turn off for the integrated graphics. The result is that it's trying to display in 1920x1080(x60?) but is still sending over the HDMI cable at 2160. And it just goes back into the blanking, which makes it very difficult to fix other than by rebooting the computer.

So, turning off GPU scaling is my next task to get anywhere with the integrated graphics; the internet doesn't know how to do this. Interestingly, I can go into the graphics control panel and set custom resolutions, exactly the way you're talking about above - but because it's always GPU upscaled to 2160, this goes nowhere.
Edited by jdorje - 10/12/14 at 11:25pm
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Okay, I've made some progress with the Intel integrated graphics card - it's actually rather good here, maybe.

Going into the control panel (the "Intel HD Graphics Control Panel", not windows control panel), I can control some things. Somewhere in this complex and horribly layed-out menu system I found a way to turn off GPU scaling, but I am unable to find it again. I swear that somewhere in that maze of menus is this option, though the internet knows nothing about it.

To mess with resolutions, I choose Display->Custom Resolutions. This lets me enter resolutions like 1920x1080x120, 2560x1440x57, and so on. For the most part, these work. However if I try to enter 2560x1440x60 it complains that the bandwidth of that resolution is too high - 57 hz is the highest possible there, even though the overall pixel clock of that is lower than 1920x1080x120. 1920x1080x60 works but 1920x1080x120 shows some snow artifacts. After editing in a resolution I have to restart before using it.

1440 doesn't look very good, frankly. It might be better than 1080. And how does 57 hz work? With a 120 hz refresh rate on the panel, does it just refresh twice and show 6 frames twice every second? Weak.

Side note, none of these resolutions/refresh is over 300 Mhz, so why is the amd pixel patcher needed? The docs on that say it allows pixel rates over 330 Mhz, but hdmi1.4 can't even support that high.

So anyway, the desktop is awesome. Games however remain problematic (even before the issue of trying to play a game in 3840x2160x30 with an integrated graphics card). Any fullscreen game will typically result in blanking, even if I am able to set it to 3840x2160 (you can never set the refresh rate in games, go figure). A few that I have managed to both set to windowed mode and get to 3840x2160 do look amazing, though 30 hz (or however many less my integrated card gets) is sketchy. Is this blanking (changing of resolutions) what the DVI cable mod is supposed to prevent?
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MAJOR POST REVISION/REDO

The bizarrity continues.

In what may be my last foray into using integrated graphics (again, intel HD 4600) on this TV, I realized that directX 9 works with it but directX 11 does not. DirectX 9 would, in fullscreen mode, successfully change the resolution (to 4k at 30hz or 1080 at 60hz), while 11 would continually fail to do so with nonstop blanking.

I picked up a cheap 280, figuring I'd copy you in going the AMD route since you're the most successful with this monitor. Ha!

Benchmarks are good, showing about 7-10x more FPS than the integrated was getting, including 120 fps on some simple games which looks pretty damn good. (Integrated ain't bad though!)

I immediately got 1920x1080x120 working, on the exact same hdmi cable as showed snow in 120 hz with integrated. Applied the pixel patcher and went into the registry and added 2560x1440 and 3200x1800. Both look okay, but not really better than 1080. I used CRU to edit the refresh rates.

However there are problems. One, there is a 297 mhz pixel clock limit, but even things like 1080x120 hz (348 mhz) claim to be above this. Is this because of the back porch or blanking settings in CRU? What should I set those to?

Second, games don't seem to be able to correctly change resolution. If I change my monitor from 2160 to 1080 in the CCC menu on the desktop, the desktop goes into 1920x1080x120. If I then open a game it's in this resolution. But if I set in-game to be at 1080 then it changes the game resolution but not the video card resolution, so it's still sending to the TV in 3840x2160x30. (Overall I think 1080 at 120 hz looks better than 2160 at 30 hz.)

Thirdly, and this is probably completely unrelated to the TV, GPU accelerated video simply doesn't work. VLC shows solid black, youtube shows solid green.

Fourthly, what the hell happened to the 50" firmware? It's no longer listed on the seiki download page. I could swear I flashed this firmware before and it worked decently, and I wanted to try it again. Currently I have the mod firmware.
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The bizarrity continues.

In what may be my last foray into using integrated graphics (again, intel HD 4600) on this TV, I realized that directX 9 works with it but directX 11 does not. DirectX 9 would, in fullscreen mode, successfully change the resolution (to 4k at 30hz or 1080 at 60hz), while 11 would continually fail to do so with nonstop blanking.

I picked up a cheap 280, figuring I'd copy you in going the AMD route since you're the most successful with this monitor. Ha!

Benchmarks are good, showing about 7-10x more FPS than the integrated was getting, including 120 fps on some simple games which looks pretty damn good. (Integrated ain't bad though!)

I immediately got 1920x1080x120 working, on the exact same hdmi cable as showed snow in 120 hz with integrated. Applied the pixel patcher and went into the registry and added 2560x1440 and 3200x1800. Both look okay, but not really better than 1080. I used CRU to edit the refresh rates.

However there are problems. One, there is a 297 mhz pixel clock limit, but even things like 1080x120 hz (348 mhz) claim to be above this. Is this because of the back porch or blanking settings in CRU? What should I set those to?

Second, games don't seem to be able to correctly change resolution. If I change my monitor from 2160 to 1080 in the CCC menu on the desktop, the desktop goes into 1920x1080x120. If I then open a game it's in this resolution. But if I set in-game to be at 1080 then it changes the game resolution but not the video card resolution, so it's still sending to the TV in 3840x2160x30. (Overall I think 1080 at 120 hz looks better than 2160 at 30 hz.)

Thirdly, and this is probably completely unrelated to the TV, GPU accelerated video simply doesn't work. VLC shows solid black, youtube shows solid green.

Fourthly, what the hell happened to the 50" firmware? It's no longer listed on the seiki download page. I could swear I flashed this firmware before and it worked decently, and I wanted to try it again. Currently I have the mod firmware.

I don't know. That's what's currently on mine.
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