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Originally Posted by Gero2013 View Post

I know it's a big step, I took it myself. But common there are like 200 posts in this thread going: I have F80000005 will it unlock?
It's written in the link and a hundred times in this thread, it's really not necessary to post that question. I admit I thought about posting it too but then I was like .... duh .... it's already written there.

Btw I wrote to XFX and here's the answer:

Hey , this seems to be the question of the week.
Here’s the short explanation.
1. Voids your XFX 2 year warranty.
2. You cannot Unlock the shaders, they are cut off by laser
3. The 290A’s were just failed versions of the 290x, Basically AMD tests every Hawaii GPU and if the GPU can take the 290x speeds, they Pass. If not, they get downclocked, lessened shaders, and tested again at 290A speeds.
Forcing a 290A to be a 290X works for about 2 weeks, some claim longer, but I don’t believe them. This month alone there are over 50 units permanently bricked that we’ve had to reject.
290A’s are not 290X’s, the flash will not stand and I won’t be able to help you.
Be safe.
Play Hard!


Might be a standard answer. I told him I unlocked the shaders and TMUs and he says they can't be unlocked.
On 2: I doubt 28nm chip could have laser fuses. I'd bet on efuse.
On 3 about 50 bricked cards: personally I think they could be blown by miners who forces the memory interface to extraordinary load. If scrypt mining will continue to grow, I think gaming card vendors may call mining to be warranty voiding use case, like misuse. Obviously mining load is much higher than gaming load.
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All the complaints about people asking the question if they unlock is clogging the thread up just as much.
One could say the same of the complaining about the complaining... thumb.gif

In all seriousness, flashing a BIOS is super easy and almost impossible to mess up if you follow directions. The 290/x's are literally idiot proof with their double BIOS feature.
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Originally Posted by Derpinheimer View Post

Maybe the rep doesnt know that there are actually cards shipping out with a core that claims to be a 290X, and instead thinks people are flashing legit 290's [2020 chips] and XFX is actually getting RMAs on bricked card? (Thru bad flash, or people getting black screen after flash)
Quite possible, sometimes the rep knows less about the hardware than the consumer. tongue.gif
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Originally Posted by HardwareDecoder View Post

Okay that sounds right since the serial #'s are corresponding to 290x's (didn't know that) I did say a few pages back that I figured XFX was probably lying because they don't want people buying 290's and just unlocking them.

They way I figure it (and again something i've said already) is that some of these 290's that are locked are really 290x's that they just turned in to a 290 because they needed more 290's and some of them are 290x's that didn't make the cut (might be what critical hit has for example)

What I said a minute ago just occurred to me since I wasn't sure where gpu-z actually got the info from.


@criticalhit that sucks man, I guess as long as it stays stable @ 290 clocks you got what you paid for. If it becomes unstable I guess you can RMA it even though it might kind of be your fault. Not trying to be mean, just honest.
Exactly, I mean AMD/XFX/PC/whoever probably will never disclose the actual reason, heck it might have just been a mistake for all we know.

An educated guess is the best we can get.

As to the topic of mining, mining itself is of no relevance to the life of the card. What matters is whether the card is overvolted or overheated, both of which many gamers do to cards also.

What I personally can't stand are the people that brick their own cards and RMA them. Like the guy that RMA's his cards because he broke them, then twice more because they didn't unlock. That's the reason why us normal (ie not lying) consumers have to jump through warranty and precautionary hoops from the manufacturers when we have to RMA, because untrustworthy people will rip off the companies because they can.

All you're doing when you rip off a manufacturer is making the other consumers pay, obviously a company is gonna charge more/be less lenient with their warranty if it's abused...
Edited by chiknnwatrmln - 12/13/13 at 12:03pm
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They way I figure it (and again something i've said already) is that some of these 290's that are locked are really 290x's that they just turned in to a 290 because they needed more 290's and some of them are 290x's that didn't make the cut (might be what critical hit has for example)

I think too thjat that is the case, but is there a way to find out which of those two options apply to your card without waitin 2 weeks? I'd like to put a custom air cooler on it, which means I won't be able to return it
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290X Chips that had higher mv and TDP were dumped into the 290 Bin, lock off the shaders and lower the clock, and they are able to operate under the stock AMD Heatsink
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is the ASIC any indication of card quality?

Part 2:

thanks a lot for the quick reply.

I fully understand that I would lose the warranty, but I am planning to put on a custom cooler, so the warranty will be lost anyway.
I have flashed the card now and GPU-Z is confirming 2816 Shaders and 176 TMUs. As far as I understand that would mean the shaders haven't been cut off by laser.
Now I am aware that it's possible to do so with only a few cards from the first production batch, however for those cards that do, is it safe to say the are R290X which had a R290 BIOS applied to them for whatever reason and that they are normal and not subpar to their counterparts which were marked as 290X from the start?


Hello, I’m truly sorry you did this.

I hope you all the best luck with this flash. XFX doesn’t void warranties for removing the Warranty void stickers. 3rd party cooling is fully supported, we just ask you return the card in original condition in case of an issue. However, because your BIOS wont register with your Model #, its going to be denied under warranty.
Please stop trusting the forum posts. Amd wanted more 290x models to sell, but not enough passed. That is why there are so many 290A’s and not enough 290xs. A 290A failed the 290x tests, there was no excess.
I hope your flash works well for you, but I highly recommend IMMEDIATELY flashing it back.


what you think?
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Just a question guys: I have an unlocked Gigabyte from 2 weeks and half (or 3 weeks). I read on the previous pages asking for the AMD SN and also Part Number, I have a photo of it, but I didn't understand what should I find with them (and comparing them).

Should I attach the photo (or just write the data)?
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is the ASIC any indication of card quality?

Part 2:

thanks a lot for the quick reply.

I fully understand that I would lose the warranty, but I am planning to put on a custom cooler, so the warranty will be lost anyway.
I have flashed the card now and GPU-Z is confirming 2816 Shaders and 176 TMUs. As far as I understand that would mean the shaders haven't been cut off by laser.
Now I am aware that it's possible to do so with only a few cards from the first production batch, however for those cards that do, is it safe to say the are R290X which had a R290 BIOS applied to them for whatever reason and that they are normal and not subpar to their counterparts which were marked as 290X from the start?


Hello, I’m truly sorry you did this.

I hope you all the best luck with this flash. XFX doesn’t void warranties for removing the Warranty void stickers. 3rd party cooling is fully supported, we just ask you return the card in original condition in case of an issue. However, because your BIOS wont register with your Model #, its going to be denied under warranty.
Please stop trusting the forum posts. Amd wanted more 290x models to sell, but not enough passed. That is why there are so many 290A’s and not enough 290xs. A 290A failed the 290x tests, there was no excess.
I hope your flash works well for you, but I highly recommend IMMEDIATELY flashing it back.


what you think?

By Failing, they could have defective Sections/Block, or like i said, the Chip itself has a high leakage, and requires a higher mv to run which puts it's heat output up, if it fails to maintain a competitive GPU Temp/Clock, they'll strip it to 290 status, lower clocks, lower Shader count and lower mv, which allows it to run under the crap heatsink.

if you're gonna 3rd party cool it, just leave the Original BIOS ON and overclock it some, if it doesnt throttle like it does w/ stock cooler you already have better performance than the 290x.

I LOL'd when i saw the part about not trusting posts......
Cuz a PR Email guy Obviously is foolproof and has superior knowledge.....
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Memory overclocking is close to worthless, performance-wise. Much better to drop the memory clocks back to 1300-1350 or something and see if that lets you push the core higher.

wow!

so Instead of running 1175/1500 I should go for 12xx/1350 then on my card?

I have watercooling.
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The other question is, does XFX buy cores from AMD or whole cards? Because his answer makes it sound like AMD builds the card and then quality checks it and then downgrades it to a 290. Which sounds plausible if AMD is making the full card, but I was under the impression that AMD just sells cores to the AIB partners and they make their own cards.
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The other question is, does XFX buy cores from AMD or whole cards? Because his answer makes it sound like AMD builds the card and then quality checks it and then downgrades it to a 290. Which sounds plausible if AMD is making the full card, but I was under the impression that AMD just sells cores to the AIB partners and they make their own cards.

Reference Cards are built by AMD and sold to Partners, the Chips are also sold to them individually.
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Western Digital WD Black WD1002FAEX 1TB 7200 RP... ASUS 24X DVD Burner (Model DRW-24B1ST/BLK/B/AS ... CORSAIR Hydro Series H100 (CWCH100) Extreme Per... Windows 7 Ultimate 64-Bit 
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Microsoft SIDEWINDER X4 Keyboard OCZ ModXStream Pro 700W Modular High Performanc... COOLER MASTER HAF 922 RC-922M-KKN3-GP Creative Sound Blaster X-Fi XtremeGamer Fatal1t... 
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Western Digital WD Black WD6401AALS 640GB 7200 ... ASUS DRW-24B1ST/BLK/B/AS Black SATA 24X DVD Burner Stock Cooling Windows 7 Home Premium 
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RAMHard DriveOptical DriveCooling
G.SKILL Sniper Gaming Series 16GB DDR3 1600 (PC...  Western Digital Caviar Black WD1502FAEX 1.5TB ... ASUS DRW-24B1ST/BLK/B/AS Black SATA 24X DVD Burner Corsair H100 Extreme Performance CPU Cooler 
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Windows 7 Ultimate 64-Bit ASUS VS248H-P Black 24" 2ms HDMI LED ASUS VS248H-P Black 24" 2ms HDMI LED ASUS VS248H-P Black 24" 2ms HDMI LED 
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Acer AL2002W Silver 20" DVI 16:10  Saitek Eclipse II USB CORSAIR RM Series RM850 850W Cooler Master HAF 922 
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Logitech M100 USB ALLSOP Metal Art Creative Sound Blaster X-Fi Platinum Fatal1ty C... Black Magic Intensity Pro 10-Bit HDMI 
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Track IR 4 Pro Ceton InfiniTV 4 PCIe CH Products Pro Pedals CH Fighter Stick and Pro Throttle 
OtherOtherOther
Fanatec Forza Motorsport CSR Wheel Fanatec CSR Shifter Set US Fanatec CSR Elite Pedals US 
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
AMD FX-8120 Zambezi 3.1GHz (FD8120FRGUBOX ) ASRock 990FX Extreme4 SAPPHIRE 100354XTL Radeon HD 7870 XT w/Boost 2G... G.SKILL Sniper Gaming Series 16GB (F3-12800CL9Q... 
Hard DriveOptical DriveCoolingOS
Western Digital WD Black WD1002FAEX 1TB 7200 RP... ASUS 24X DVD Burner (Model DRW-24B1ST/BLK/B/AS ... CORSAIR Hydro Series H100 (CWCH100) Extreme Per... Windows 7 Ultimate 64-Bit 
KeyboardPowerCaseAudio
Microsoft SIDEWINDER X4 Keyboard OCZ ModXStream Pro 700W Modular High Performanc... COOLER MASTER HAF 922 RC-922M-KKN3-GP Creative Sound Blaster X-Fi XtremeGamer Fatal1t... 
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AMD Phenom II X2 555 Black Edition Callisto 3.2... ASRock M3A770DE AM3 AMD 770 ATX XFX HD-583X-ZAFV Radeon HD 5830 1GB 256-bit DDR5 G.SKILL 4GB (2 x 2GB) 240-Pin DDR3 (Model F3-12... 
Hard DriveOptical DriveCoolingOS
Western Digital WD Black WD6401AALS 640GB 7200 ... ASUS DRW-24B1ST/BLK/B/AS Black SATA 24X DVD Burner Stock Cooling Windows 7 Home Premium 
MonitorKeyboardPowerCase
Hanns·G HZ201HPB Black 20" 5ms HDMI Widescreen Rosewill RK-7310 Black USB OCZ ModXStream Pro 700W Modular High Performanc... Rosewill Blackbone Black Steel / Plastic ATX Mi... 
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