Originally Posted by sugarhell
Do you really want to search an old thread(290x reviews period) that you said that? Because i know and you know that you said that and you get bashed back then. Postaltwinkie was on the conversation too
I've actually discussed this before with Postal whom, believed at the time, that I was full of nonsense and making things up...Which is fine, you're all welcome to your opinion.
At THAT point in time, the samples I had in hand were being throttled. They were being driver-throttled which, they always are. When the product goes to reviewers is typically when we get the driver that "widens the road" but, until then, it's just a GPU...And at that moment, when we had this discussion, MY TESTING was such that it was out-performed by the Titan.
Once that card hit the consumer market, the new drivers launched, again (About the 6th driver update I've had since reception) and away we went to the Titan being defeated, handily. I admit to that. I'll admit to that all day long.
I was never anti 290x...It simply feels as if it's being throttled...It genuinely does.
With PCB's as advanced as they are now, especially chip-sets and solder, we could easy be hitting thermal roofs of 120c+ but, instead, we're still stuck @ 95c...I would LOVE to see how the 290x performed at 110c+ but, unfortunately, there are just too many variables to make that a possibility.
Let me give you a hint about Mantle -- Vendors have had it for a LOOOOONG time. -- I've even seen a few torrents out there.
Originally Posted by PostalTwinkie
Which market is that?
Your opinion on something
holding back performance isn't an opinion, it is fact. Unfortunately you are looking in the wrong direction for what that "something" is. That "something" is Direct X, and it has been Direct X for an EXTREMELY long time.....
The last major APIs to have been developed are Direct X, back in the mid 90s and 3DFX Glide, back in the mid 90s. We literally haven't had a full blown API in that long, let alone 3 or 4 times in the last 10 years.....
What I'm saying is quite simple. I have a few points and then I'm moving on.
Within the 4 corners of this industry, no product is ever announced or leaked or even hinted to the public unless it has been thoroughly tested and is being pushed for consumer reception.
Most of you don't pay attention to that fact. You follow road-maps, follow them like law and that road-map might as well be the word of god.
We, vendors, receive most products 6 months before consumer launch. @ 3 months after the product is received if all feedback is good...Someone leaks a press release or, they tell a news source...or they get misquoted. -- That little hint was dropped on purpose. It was dropped because they want you to want it. Your desire for that product is king.
Think about that for a minute. Major vendors typically have a product for 6 months before "us" peons do. So, half a year before we see the product, it's already being tested...Reviewed...Well beyond it's R&D stages.
AMD sacrificed substantial markets in an effort to become "common hardware". Their server markets took a huge hit...I can't say much more because the server markets are CK at this point, the rest will be seen down the road.
The reality of this situation is that, AMD may have bitten off significantly more than it can chew, in this circumstance.
$100/per unit is a great return but, only $5-$10 of that is straight revenue. That revenue gap does not fill their project losses, their R&D or any of the other projects that were current.
Again, I'm theorycrafting a bit here but, I foresee this console venture biting AMD down the line.
P.S. I own stock in both companies...I have more stock in AMD...I am neither for or against either company. I am for my customer and what's best for my customer...Sometimes I'm a little brash when it comes to my customer but, the consumer, should always come first.