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Ya, that was it! It's been ages since I looked at a watercooling guide lol I couldn't recall the specifics.

That's just fluid dynamics. Doesn't matter if water or gas or whatever... same applies to air in a pipe, too.thumb.gif
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With the ID of G1/4 fittings being just under 10mm (0.393") - I'm seeing 0.391" ID Bitspower, 0.375" ID Primochill, and only 0.340" ID Monsoon - it would seem to me that using any larger tubing than 3/8 ID (0.375") then the flow would only bottleneck at every G1/4 fitting in your loop, and not to mention blocks are even more restrictive than that still, so how much of a difference would it really make in practice?

Are there any test results that show any flow increases with any noticeable affect on cooling performance of your loop by going to a larger diameter tube than 3/8" ID? According to this post "the difference in flow rate between the smallest and largest isn't enough to make a 1C difference" in loop temps.
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That's just fluid dynamics. Doesn't matter if water or gas or whatever... same applies to air in a pipe, too.thumb.gif

Don't you also have to deal with compression when working with gasses too though? I know fluids are usually exempt from compression except in extreme pressure cases.
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With the ID of G1/4 fittings being just under 10mm (0.393") - I'm seeing 0.391" ID Bitspower, 0.375" ID Primochill, and only 0.340" ID Monsoon - it would seem to me that using any larger tubing than 3/8 ID (0.375") then the flow would only bottleneck at every G1/4 fitting in your loop, and not to mention blocks are even more restrictive than that still, so how much of a difference would it really make in practice?

Are there any test results that show any flow increases with any noticeable affect on cooling performance of your loop by going to a larger diameter tube than 3/8" ID? According to this post "the difference in flow rate between the smallest and largest isn't enough to make a 1C difference" in loop temps.

It depends on what is causing reev's bad temps. If his loop flow hit a critical level then maybe things are going pear shaped as the quote says. The still water in the res might support that. The thing is, we don't know what is actually causing the bad temps yet. Though the quote also seems to agree that 1/2 tubing would improve flow rates, however slightly.
    
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Don't you also have to deal with compression when working with gasses too though? I know fluids are usually exempt from compression except in extreme pressure cases.

Yeah, you bet, but the same basic principals apply when considering flow rates and tube sizing.
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Same CPU as electro and my temps are within 1-2c of his. Only difference is I'm using a Koolance 380 with the grooves oriented vertically and 2 pmp-500s in series. Back when I was running a Q9650 I noticed a nice flow increase when I moved from 3/8 to 1/2 ID tubing. Iirc larger ID tubing is better for flow than smaller ID tubing because it is less restrictive itself, then you factor in that you have a half inch stream being forced into a water block is going to cool that block better than a 3/8 inch stream at the same speed.
My res is located about midway between the top and bottom with the rad fittings being above the lid of the res but the pumps below its base, one rad is completely above the res. Only the front 3 rads give me problems with trapped air because they're mounted vertically but even then I just have to heat the coolant up a bit and leave it warm for most of the air to cycle out. I also get pretty decent movement in the res, especially at higher liquid temps when it becomes less viscous.

Darlene, would that really impede flow? I know it would make sense when accounting for the worse temps, since some of the rad pipes are full of air and not really helping cool the liquid but I wouldn't think it would cut the flow that much. Especially since it sounds like reev has the rad in question mounted on the ceiling with the fitting ports facing down. Laying the case on its side and cycling the pumps should work or run the pumps while you dismount the problem rad and tilt it around to facilitate de-gassing.

I have read and watched a thousand guides on water cooling, and EVERYONE says there is no difference between 3/8 and 1/2 tubing... I have even seen benchmarks that prove it... So I am at a loss on that. :-(

As far as orientation, I have the res about 5" from the bottom of the case, about 2" above the pump, GPU->GPU->CPU->560 (mounted horizontally, with outlet on top)->280 (again, inlet on bottom, outlet up top)->res.

I have tilted my mammoth case in every orientation I can safely do so in its current location to no avail.

That being said, the second pump through the dual top sounds much louder than I recall, making me wonder if it is damaged, but it has never once been run dry, so I don't know. It isn't a terribly loud sound, but certainly louder than I remember, and significantly louder than its partner... It still runs at full speed though...

I am beginning to think that this may end up being a troublesome build. Going to deblock everything later this week, unless running it for a while on its own is able to dislodge some stubborn air... It just doesn't feel like air to me, my first rig had a similar issue for the first week, where temps were high, but the pump was still pushing a lot if water...
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My personal preference is to have my reservoir above the rest....
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@reever your cpu is hot but what about the gpu's?
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@reever your cpu is hot but what about the gpu's?

Well, that is what has me additionally thinking the CPU block may have an issue, the GPU temps don't go over 40℃ under full load... I put the block back together the way it came apart, but is it possible I could have put the mid plate in backward? I KNOW that the in/out are correct, as I have checked about a dozen times. lol

I also prefer to have the res above everything else if possible, but it was a temporary solution since I can not mount the res up top... Rethinking the current layout for when I get a couple of tube reservoirs...
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Ugh... Not even remotely excited about this. :-) I was somewhat thinking that it could be air, but I kind of shrugged it off, but after moving my rads around for the umpteenth time, shakow, more air in the res (of course right before reading this... Yay for suck!

Thanks for the tip.

I would start the air bubble hunt with any vertical rads you may have. My front 480 = the only air trap in my system, so it's the first place I got to after letting things run for awhile. It basically serves as a one stop shop for my entire loop's air trapping, which actually makes bleeding easier. biggrin.gif

and yeah, by C2 i mean the second revision of 4930k.
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I would start the air bubble hunt with any vertical rads you may have. My front 480 = the only air trap in my system, so it's the first place I got to after letting things run for awhile. It basically serves as a one stop shop for my entire loop's air trapping, which actually makes bleeding easier. biggrin.gif

Will send some pics when I get home, I can't think of any remotely easy way of doing this, just hoping that shooting over some pics might help someone find an easier way... At least easier than I am able to surmise...
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