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I have a really funny issue with my system. Today when I was trying to run prime95 worker 9 and 10 stoped instantly. I thought my cpu might have degraded so I increased the voltage but the problem still remained. So I thought I would give it ago with default settings but to my suprise the workers still stopped instantly. I tried to run the RAM on stock settings with no success, I even tried a different set of RAM from my older build but the issue still remained. I really dont know what the issue is, I even tried to reset the cmos but it didnt give any result. I tried both custom blend, small fft as well as IBT and all these applications made 2 workers stop and/or warned that my system was unstable. And this is with 100% stock settings as well frown.gif.

When I built my system last summer I managed 5 hours prime95 on 4.5ghz custom blend with no workers stopped and the computer havent had any bsod or other issues since then. The PC still works good though and I cant really experiance that anything is wrong appart from prime95 and IBT giving me indications that system is not stable. If I didnt attempt to run pime95 today chances are that I would never experiance this little problem. I have tested both version 27.9 and 28.7 of prime95 and both gave the same results. I have used a few multicore appliations, games and benchmark tools since I built the system and no lock ups, crashes or bsod have happened so I wonder if it might be some bug or glitch?

Edit: I even tried one stick of RAM in each slot to see if the slots could be damaged some how but no success so far.

There is a possibility that your cpu is starting to fail, which is the risk one takes when overclocking. I would say to back down on your OC for now until you can verify what is going on.
If your CPU is starting to degrade because of OCing your kind of in luck because you get it replaced via the Intel tuning plan. It takes a month for the plan to become active once you purchase the warranty but it is pretty inexpensive. I got it and only paid $25 for a 4930k. I need to replace my CPU and will be doing that in the next few days.
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post #12842 of 15052
Degrading in one year despite having 1.330v, which is below the max recommended for 24/7 which is around 1.36? I mean speaking of degrading, this issues exist even running on default settings and wasnt solved despite increasing the voltage.

Is these any specific way to test if the issue is due to the cpu or motherboard? Since in sweden we have 3 years customer protection by the law which the shop gives.

I even updated to the latest bios on the motherboard and the issue still remains.
Edited by PachAz - 9/29/15 at 1:16pm
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post #12843 of 15052
A man goes to his doctor and says "Doctor, my computer crashes when I run Prime95."

The doctor replies, "then don't run Prime95."

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(*unless, against all odds, you're some kind of mathematician and Prime95 is actually what you built the system to do.... in which case, carry on)
post #12844 of 15052
No I didnt built the system for prime95, but obviously something must have happened after 1 year since both IBT and prime95 warn for instability.
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post #12845 of 15052
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Degrading in one year despite having 1.330v, which is below the max recommended for 24/7 which is around 1.36? I mean speaking of degrading, this issues exist even running on default settings and wasnt solved despite increasing the voltage.

Is these any specific way to test if the issue is due to the cpu or motherboard? Since in sweden we have 3 years customer protection by the law which the shop gives.

I even updated to the latest bios on the motherboard and the issue still remains.
Though I am not sure how true this is but I have been told that your cpu can degrade based simply on the level of overclock you do regardless of the voltage used. I do know that using a higher voltage can cause degradation much quicker but is that the only thing that causes the cpu to degrade?

Regardless it is only a theory as to what could be going wrong. I seriously doubt the issue is software related but I could be wrong.

You can test the CPU in another MB if you have one available, you could also test another CPU in the MB if you had one of those available also. Those may be the only real way to tell if either is bad.

Is there any possibility it is the PSU from a heavy power draw or even the RAM?
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post #12846 of 15052
Long story short I haven't used my gaming computer in over a year now. Any updates or changes I need to know about our motherboard that has occurred during this time span?
post #12847 of 15052
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Though I am not sure how true this is but I have been told that your cpu can degrade based simply on the level of overclock you do regardless of the voltage used. I do know that using a higher voltage can cause degradation much quicker but is that the only thing that causes the cpu to degrade?

Regardless it is only a theory as to what could be going wrong. I seriously doubt the issue is software related but I could be wrong.

You can test the CPU in another MB if you have one available, you could also test another CPU in the MB if you had one of those available also. Those may be the only real way to tell if either is bad.

Is there any possibility it is the PSU from a heavy power draw or even the RAM?
Its not the RAM since I tested with different RAM as well as different RAM slots. I am unsure about the PSU though. I agree that the only way would be to test another cpu in the motherboard or my cpu in another motherboard but it will be difficult since I dont know anybody with similar system. If it would be the PSU wouldnt I experiance GPU instabilty as well since it draws more power than stock CPU?

Things I have done so far but with 0 result:
- Default stock clocks
- Higher vcore
- Different RAM
- Different RAM slots
- New motherboard BIOS
- Different verisons of prime95
Edited by PachAz - 9/29/15 at 6:46pm
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post #12848 of 15052
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A man goes to his doctor and says "Doctor, my computer crashes when I run Prime95."

The doctor replies, "then don't run Prime95."

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(*unless, against all odds, you're some kind of mathematician and Prime95 is actually what you built the system to do.... in which case, carry on)
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Originally Posted by blakmumba;13120663 
I seriously question the need for all this 24hr testing going on your brand new CPU, I see numerous cases here of guys bragging about their 24hr stress testing, or saying someones overclock is not stable because they haven't benched for 24 hrs.

How much experience have you had with overclocking? This attitude is generally reserved for amateur overclockers who have never had corrupted data.
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A stress test is running all of your CPU cores flat out for however long you run the test, unless of course a core drops out because your overclock is unstable, I see the need for short term testing say an hour or maybe 2, because it won't take that long for an unstable overclock to show itself, but 24hrs in my opinion is not necessary.

I think you are confused. The error is not found because the CPU is at 100%. A major error, or more likely, many tiny irrecoverable errors, happen at any % of CPU usage. The programs are designed to find inconsistencies as fast as possible, utilizing all resources available to determine the stability. Its not lets see how hard we can squeeze your CPU till it breaks. Is it stressful? Sure, is the stress that causes error? No, that would be instability or heat. Another good way to test your cooling solution too I might add.
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There is not a thing on this planet designed to last forever, your precious CPU included when companies like Intel and AMD, guarantee their CPUs for 3 yr warranty time period, they're confident their CPUs will actually go past that time period, however that calculation is based on 3 yrs and beyond of normal use.

They know their CPUs are capable of lasting under normal spec'd use longer than the 3 yrs or they would not warranty them that long.

Not sure why this is even here. This has nothing to do with stability testing, unless you are assuming that all CPUs that are brand new should not be tested @ stock settings? Which a CPU should be tested to ensure its not defective. Rare, but it can happen.
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Now the cold hard fact is that overclocking your CPU will shorten its lifespan, but we accept that for the additional speed we gain, most of us will replace that cpu with an upgrade before is life expectancy arrives anyway, so taking it out of specifications is acceptable.

Has nothing to do with stability testing. Its about error prevention.
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However that's with normal day to day use, surfing the web, audio and video editing and converting, gaming, office documentation Etc, and though serious bench stress testing is necessary to achieve a stable overclock, what damage does stress testing over a 24 hr time period and beyond, actually do to shorten the lifespan of your new CPU.

Why would you even overclock then?
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For example if you stress test your new quad core CPU for 24hrs, and all 4 cores are running at 100% for 24 hrs, how much normal daily processing is lost, because no daily application uses all 4 cores at 100% for 24hrs, so at least think about that when you overclock your CPU, and use at least some kind of wisdom in your stress testing.

Again its not the stress that creates the error, its stress that finds the error. Errors can occur with as little as 1% core usage. The alternative is to use your computer until one day, your boot sector is corrupted, and Windows 7 repair, can't fix the files as the damage has occurred widespread through your file-system. At this point you are even lucky to recover data off the hard drive. Assuming you are still not using an unstable overclock, recovering data, will most likely keep it corrupt/re-corrupt it.
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Because if you don't think you're adding to shortening the life of your CPU, you're wrong!

Stress testing your CPU, if its adequately cooled, is not shortening your hardwares life, its the extra voltage/clock cycles from the overclock if anything. It sounds like you have a ton still to learn / grasp and thats okay. Overclocking has many useful applications, such as a technical server upgrade, gaming, scientific calculations, protein folding, etc. Many of those demand stability for personal and professional reasons. Folding requires 100% accurate data, or its wasteful time for both the user and server, which anyday can provide a cure to cancer (hopefully.) A non tested overclock in that field is extremely frowned upon by many people who dedicate entire machines to just folding.

I am not saying you have to stress test your CPU, or it will die and kill everything in your computer, but you are not going to convince anyone who knows what they are doing that its a waste of time.

I don't get why people are ever against having a fully stable system? It takes about a day if you actually have good settings. Maybe apathy or general laziness, but still, it will create so many headaches in the long run trying to figure out why the computer just doesn't want to work today.
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post #12849 of 15052
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Originally Posted by PachAz View Post

Its not the RAM since I tested with different RAM as well as different RAM slots. I am unsure about the PSU though. I agree that the only way would be to test another cpu in the motherboard or my cpu in another motherboard but it will be difficult since I dont know anybody with similar system. If it would be the PSU wouldnt I experiance GPU instabilty as well since it draws more power than stock CPU?

Things I have done so far but with 0 result:
- Default stock clocks
- Higher vcore
- Different RAM
- Different RAM slots
- New motherboard BIOS
- Different verisons of prime95

Could someone please correct me here but I don't think you don't need the exact same MB to test your CPU. You could easily put it in any other compatible MB and see if it starts doing the same things with everything set to stock. If it does then that points to a bad CPU.

There is one other possibility. Maybe there is something that is making those programs (prime95 and IBT) read incorrectly. Have you recently upgraded the OS to windows 10? I know a few people on here have reported issues with windows 10 and certain OC settings. It could be some other recently updated software also or even a BIOS update. This would make it a software issue then but different than what I mentioned earlier.

I hope something in the conversations on this thread help you to find the problem in one way or another.

Bruce
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Long story short I haven't used my gaming computer in over a year now. Any updates or changes I need to know about our motherboard that has occurred during this time span?

Not really unless you have upgraded to windows 10. There is a driver pack some pages back intended for this board running windows 10.
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Samsung 840 Pro Western Digital BLACK SERIES 7200RPM San Disk Ultra II Seagate 4TB Gaming SSHD 
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