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Really? Wow okay.. I was in belief that 5.4-6.4 would be the absolute limit and that 5.2 would be doable.

Well then I'm pretty happy with the 5.0 I was able to achieve thumb.gif

Unfortunately that clock isn't stable under folding conditions, so I downclocked to a drastic 4.0 on the fly to continue in the FFW with a reduced voltage of 1.40.

5.4 to 6.4 sounds about right for absolute maximum. With a good clocking chip you may be able to hit 5.2 - 5.3 on phase.

Your voltage is fine although I would not go 1.65 for more than just running some benches. Phase buys you some headroom over water as does a subzero waterchiller. However a phase will never get even close to a DICE clock and it cannot take those voltages, being under zero isnt the whole story. Chips react differently the further under zero they are, a SS stage will never hit clocks that a Cascade will either, with a triple cascade you may be able to get close to DICE clocks but never LN2. There is a large difference between your -30 and dices -80 and LN2s -140.

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Not sure what DICE is and I have never heard of a water chiller.... That might be because they are not really intended for PC use. I would need to have it fit in my case that is until I move into a bigger place. TBH I am surprised none of the companies that produce water coolers have not come out with something like that for a PC. I can possibly see an issue with condensation unless there is an option to increase the cooling in small increments.

DICE is Dry Ice cooling, you mix Dry Ice and Acentone into a pot like an LN2 pot, there is DICE pots available but you can use an LN2 pot. Dice does not get as cold as LN2 and therefor will not clock the same, it is also more dagerous to handle. However it is easier to obtain and slightly cheaper due to storage needs of LN2 and price of DICE vs LN2.

Waterchillers come in different ranges. You can get a water chiller for aquariums that is adjustable and can get below ambient but not below 0c. You can also build a water chiller that can get to about -40c (maybe more however hard to find liquid) they work the same as a phase expect for they chill the water instead of the CPU directly. Waterchillers can be built and have been that rival SS phases, however they are huge. The befeit to a subzero chiller is you can cool gpus as well.

Yes Condensation is a concern unless you build a Chill box, where the entire PC is kept at below 0c.

Check out the Extreme Cooling section here on OCN.
Edited by Cyber Locc - 2/14/16 at 11:28am
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Not sure what DICE is and I have never heard of a water chiller.... That might be because they are not really intended for PC use. I would need to have it fit in my case that is until I move into a bigger place. TBH I am surprised none of the companies that produce water coolers have not come out with something like that for a PC. I can possibly see an issue with condensation unless there is an option to increase the cooling in small increments.
http://www.overclockers.com/an-introduction-to-extreme-cooling/

There is a market for extreme cooling, but not big enough for companies to invest their money into. You can find a lot of valuable information in the cooling forums on here thumb.gif
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I would not recommend going over 1.6 even with phase, 1.65 would be okay for short term phase benching but that really is LN2 levels.

For 24/7 1.55 would be as high as I would go, Subzero with a phase is not the same as subzero with LN2.

5.4 to 6.4 sounds about right for absolute maximum. With a good clocking chip you may be able to hit 5.2 - 5.3 on phase.

Your voltage is fine although I would not go 1.65 for more than just running some benches. Phase buys you some headroom over water as does a subzero waterchiller. However a phase will never get even close to a DICE clock and it cannot take those voltages, being under zero isnt the whole story. Chips react differently the further under zero they are, a SS stage will never hit clocks that a Cascade will either, with a triple cascade you may be able to get close to DICE clocks but never LN2. There is a large difference between your -30 and dices -80 and LN2s -140.
Thanks for chiming in thumb.gif

I was able to go as low as 1.45v on 5.0 but that caused minor instability issues while benching and short term stress testing.

I've read about the different chip reactions on "real" subzero cooling, but as said those aren't an option for 24/7 usage. I'm happy with 5.0 actually! That was the magical number that had to be achieved and the system does it lovely. Under folding conditions it is not possible though, the compressor is hot enough as is at normal working conditions (benching, gaming etc) and I had it fail once already trying to fold. Going to 4.0 at 1.40v was no problem though, and I'm sure 4.5 would be achievable too.
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Thanks for chiming in thumb.gif

I was able to go as low as 1.45v on 5.0 but that caused minor instability issues while benching and short term stress testing.

I've read about the different chip reactions on "real" subzero cooling, but as said those aren't an option for 24/7 usage. I'm happy with 5.0 actually! That was the magical number that had to be achieved and the system does it lovely. Under folding conditions it is not possible though, the compressor is hot enough as is at normal working conditions (benching, gaming etc) and I had it fail once already trying to fold. Going to 4.0 at 1.40v was no problem though, and I'm sure 4.5 would be achievable too.

Ya 5.0 on a hexacore is an awesome overclock smile.gif for sure and only running 1.5v will keep your chip alive longer.

You can get a cascade for extreme overclocks but they are kinda fiddly and very very expensive. If you dont know what that is, A cascade Phase means you have a phase change cooler cooing the condenser of another. This allows you to use colder freon in the second you can even goes as far as a triple or quadruple cascade, that will provide DICE range temps.

At Max, you can have a Phase housed in a case check out LD cooling. They make phases that are housed in the case they are very expensive and kinda loud though. Also its a very large case.
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Hi all.. just picked up one of these motherboards... time to upgrade my 790iU/X5470 biggrin.gif

Now I need a CPU that is as awesome as this motherboard. tongue.gif In short I am looking to find the "best" CPU for this motherboard.

Coming from S775 there's a WHOLE LOT of choices of CPUs that appear to be compatible with this MB...In addition I am reading about ES chips possibly not being compatible with PCI-e 3.0..Then reading about how some Xeons are unlocked..I'm not familiar with steppings like I am with the quad cores (Are E0's still a valid stepping to look for?). I know there is 2011-v2 and 2011-v3. I'm getting pretty lost in all the info so I wanted to just ask for some recommendations here and flipping back several pages didn't seem to give me my answer.

* Overclock (clock speed) is most important to me
* At least 6 cores are preferred but if there's a reason to talk me out of it, I'm ok with that
* I am primarily a gamer so all I NEED are 4 cores (but looking for at least 6 to be more prepared for DX12/Vulcan improvements)


I currently run a S771 Xeon in my S775 board so I'm aware that sometimes Xeons can be overclocked with great results. I am OK with having to MOD if required.

The black edition I just bought also comes with EK blocks installed so the motherboard/CPU will be under H2O

Thanks in advance!!
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Hi all.. just picked up one of these motherboards... time to upgrade my 790iU/X5470 biggrin.gif

Now I need a CPU that is as awesome as this motherboard. tongue.gif In short I am looking to find the "best" CPU for this motherboard.

Coming from S775 there's a WHOLE LOT of choices of CPUs that appear to be compatible with this MB...In addition I am reading about ES chips possibly not being compatible with PCI-e 3.0..Then reading about how some Xeons are unlocked..I'm not familiar with steppings like I am with the quad cores (Are E0's still a valid stepping to look for?). I know there is 2011-v2 and 2011-v3. I'm getting pretty lost in all the info so I wanted to just ask for some recommendations here and flipping back several pages didn't seem to give me my answer.

* Overclock (clock speed) is most important to me
* At least 6 cores are preferred but if there's a reason to talk me out of it, I'm ok with that
* I am primarily a gamer so all I NEED are 4 cores (but looking for at least 6 to be more prepared for DX12/Vulcan improvements)


I currently run a S771 Xeon in my S775 board so I'm aware that sometimes Xeons can be overclocked with great results. I am OK with having to MOD if required.

The black edition I just bought also comes with EK blocks installed so the motherboard/CPU will be under H2O

Thanks in advance!!
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Easy peasy 4930k or 4960x, both hexacores both overclockable. AFAIK there is no overclockable Xeon on this platform, IIRC the only overclockable Xeons are on LGA 775.

There is also no reason to get a Xeon on this platform unless you want more cores, or EEC memory. AFAIK the RIVBE doesn't support Xeons with more than 6 cores, anyway. Things have changed since 775 days smile.gif, go with the K or X hexacore I mentioned above and you will be a happy camper.

Edit: I checked into the Xeon thing and I was correct Intel now locks down all Xeons, you can squeeze a few MHZ out via BLCK but not much.
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Easy peasy 4930k or 4960x, both hexacores both overclockable. AFAIK there is no overclockable Xeon on this platform, IIRC the only overclockable Xeons are on LGA 775.

Not true. There are overclockable Xeons for socket 2011 but they do not OC very well in comparison.
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Not true. There are overclockable Xeons for socket 2011 but they do not OC very well in comparison.

No there is not, you can OC them via BLCK however that endangers other components as BLCK ties into Memory, PCI, ECT. Also generally regraded as not a good idea Pre SkyLake (Skylake changes this). So at best you could get a few more MHZ and cost loads of other issues in the process.

Modifying the BLCK does not make it an Overclockable chip, it is not an OCable chip nor has there been an Overclocakble Xeon since LGA775. Any chip can be BLCK OC'ed, I3s, Pentiums, Celerons.

But if you know of a chip I do not please share, However everything on the net about it and Intel themselves say no. Xeons are completely locked down, No Multi, No Strap.
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Not true. There are overclockable Xeons for socket 2011 but they do not OC very well in comparison.

They OC very well, I benched up to 5GHz with my 8 core Xeon on the Rampage IV Black.

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No there is not, you can OC them via BLCK however that endangers other components as BLCK ties into Memory, PCI, ECT. Also generally regraded as not a good idea Pre SkyLake (Skylake changes this). So at best you could get a few more MHZ and cost loads of other issues in the process.

Modifying the BLCK does not make it an Overclockable chip, it is not an OCable chip nor has there been an Overclocakble Xeon since LGA775. Any chip can be BLCK OC'ed, I3s, Pentiums, Celerons.

But if you know of a chip I do not please share, However everything on the net about it and Intel themselves say no. Xeons are completely locked down, No Multi, No Strap.

My Xeon 1680 V2(IVB-E) is totally unlocked like a 4960x.

Here is a recent bench of my cpu @5GHz:

http://www.overclock.net/t/1406832/single-gpu-fire-strike-top-30/1810#post_24828745
    
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They OC very well, I benched up to 5GHz with my 8 core Xeon on the Rampage IV Black.
My Xeon 1680 V2(IVB-E) is totally unlocked like a 4960x.

Here is a recent bench of my cpu @5GHz:

http://www.overclock.net/t/1406832/single-gpu-fire-strike-top-30/1810#post_24828745

Welp yep there is an unlocked Xeon I stand corrected and that thing is fricking Awesome!!!!! How have I never heard of this golden Chip that is going to put me in the poor house.

+Rep that is awesome.

Well that dream ended quickly that thing cost more than buying an entire X99 setup with a 5960x lol.
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