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Hi all.. just picked up one of these motherboards... time to upgrade my 790iU/X5470 biggrin.gif

Now I need a CPU that is as awesome as this motherboard. tongue.gif In short I am looking to find the "best" CPU for this motherboard.

Coming from S775 there's a WHOLE LOT of choices of CPUs that appear to be compatible with this MB...In addition I am reading about ES chips possibly not being compatible with PCI-e 3.0..Then reading about how some Xeons are unlocked..I'm not familiar with steppings like I am with the quad cores (Are E0's still a valid stepping to look for?). I know there is 2011-v2 and 2011-v3. I'm getting pretty lost in all the info so I wanted to just ask for some recommendations here and flipping back several pages didn't seem to give me my answer.

* Overclock (clock speed) is most important to me
* At least 6 cores are preferred but if there's a reason to talk me out of it, I'm ok with that
* I am primarily a gamer so all I NEED are 4 cores (but looking for at least 6 to be more prepared for DX12/Vulcan improvements)


I currently run a S771 Xeon in my S775 board so I'm aware that sometimes Xeons can be overclocked with great results. I am OK with having to MOD if required.

The black edition I just bought also comes with EK blocks installed so the motherboard/CPU will be under H2O

Thanks in advance!!
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there is ONE 8 core unlocked xeon afaik, i never looked into less cores

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Not true. There are overclockable Xeons for socket 2011 but they do not OC very well in comparison.

They OC very well, I benched up to 5GHz with my 8 core Xeon on the Rampage IV Black.

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No there is not, you can OC them via BLCK however that endangers other components as BLCK ties into Memory, PCI, ECT. Also generally regraded as not a good idea Pre SkyLake (Skylake changes this). So at best you could get a few more MHZ and cost loads of other issues in the process.

Modifying the BLCK does not make it an Overclockable chip, it is not an OCable chip nor has there been an Overclocakble Xeon since LGA775. Any chip can be BLCK OC'ed, I3s, Pentiums, Celerons.

But if you know of a chip I do not please share, However everything on the net about it and Intel themselves say no. Xeons are completely locked down, No Multi, No Strap.

My Xeon 1680 V2(IVB-E) is totally unlocked like a 4960x.

Here is a recent bench of my cpu @5GHz:

http://www.overclock.net/t/1406832/single-gpu-fire-strike-top-30/1810#post_24828745

as shown above, certain people will spout falsities though you have to be careful esp when it comes to ocing xeons, ( or anything really ) but when i searched for it i found after comparing from different sites and chatting with people i know and trust that most info out seems to be people BSing their way through it , EVEN INTEL ARK can and has INTENTIONALLY put out false info ( i spent awhile checking in to this and other things for other projects !!!! ) in the next year or so i wanna buy one of the 8 cores would be fun to play with


2011-3 is A DIFFERENT socket,

DO NOT GET a 2011-3 chip it will not fit/work !
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Thanks everyone! +REP

I think it comes down to 2 processors:

i7-4960X Extreme Edition (6 cores unlocked)
Xeon E5-1680 V2 (8 cores unlocked)


But I have 2 questions left:
(1) Is the E5-1660V2 also unlocked? It's the 6-core version of the CPU above ^
(2) Are engineering sample chips (ES) something I should try to avoid? Since I'm looking at a 4960X the multi is unlocked anyway so there's no advantage there. The price for this ES is suspiciously low. Is this going to be essentially identical to the 4960X OEM version or should I avoid a 4960X ES?

What do you think about this one?
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Intel-Core-i7-4960X-Extreme-Edition-ES-3-3-4-0GHz-6C-15M-Unlocked-X79-3960X-/191799995945?hash=item2ca82bae29:g:qPkAAOSw5dNWmJ3a

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Finding the 8c xeon is really hard, at least over here. Plus it will be very pricey (should be less than going x99 with 5960x, MB and DDR4 tho, or there is no point on hunting for that lol).
ES have no warranty, avoid this particular one you linked... 4.2GHz@1.39 is sicksmiley.png
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Thanks everyone! +REP

I think it comes down to 2 processors:

i7-4960X Extreme Edition (6 cores unlocked)
Xeon E5-1680 V2 (8 cores unlocked)


But I have 2 questions left:
(1) Is the E5-1660V2 also unlocked? It's the 6-core version of the CPU above ^
(2) Are engineering sample chips (ES) something I should try to avoid? Since I'm looking at a 4960X the multi is unlocked anyway so there's no advantage there. The price for this ES is suspiciously low. Is this going to be essentially identical to the 4960X OEM version or should I avoid a 4960X ES?

What do you think about this one?
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Intel-Core-i7-4960X-Extreme-Edition-ES-3-3-4-0GHz-6C-15M-Unlocked-X79-3960X-/191799995945?hash=item2ca82bae29:g:qPkAAOSw5dNWmJ3a

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Honestly I would just go with a 4930k, I personally just cannot justify an X unless its adding cores. The price difference for a 4930k vs a 4960x to me just isnt worth it. It is double the price but it will double your Epeen but thats about all it will do.

With the X99s having less pcie lanes gives a reason for the 30k, having 8 cores gives a reason for the X, In the Ivy range I just don't see the money.
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there is ONE 8 core unlocked xeon afaik, i never looked into less cores
as shown above, certain people will spout falsities though you have to be careful esp when it comes to ocing xeons, ( or anything really )

I think Madmax, did not know of that Xeons existence, neither did I. What he said is correct for every other Xeon as they are OCed by BLCK. I think that is to what he was referring as he uses a Xeon that is not unlocked, and has overclocked it by BLCK. He isnt incorrect, he just didn't have knowledge of that unlocked Xeon, neither did I, for all the rest of Xeons on the x79 platform he is correct, as am I.

Also to be honest at this point in time, that xeon is outside of anyones wants or it should be. With Broad well Decacores right around the corner, you could buy a 17 6990x (or whatever they call it) and a new board/ram for less than that Xeon so its values is long since lost.
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Thanks for everyone's input it has been very helpful. Since I've been researching for the past couple hours reading on and on I can at least share what I've found.

I'm looking at 2 entirely different CPUs now in addition to the godly E5-1680V2 that are also apparently unlocked even though intel says they are not smile.gif

Here are the differences between the CPUs. First 2 are both 6 core, one has 3 more MB cache and higher default clock speed. Last one is 8 core.
http://ark.intel.com/products/75780/Intel-Xeon-Processor-E5-1650-v2-12M-Cache-3_50-GHz
http://ark.intel.com/products/75781/Intel-Xeon-Processor-E5-1660-v2-15M-Cache-3_70-GHz
http://ark.intel.com/products/77912/Intel-Xeon-Processor-E5-1680-v2-25M-Cache-3_00-GHz

It seems that the E5-16xx series Xeons are unlocked across V1, V2 and V3 (I am only interested in the V2 series). I have seen screenshots confirming E5-1680 V2 unlocked, E5-1650 V2 unlocked but not E5-1660 V2...although I saw others mention they are "all" unlocked, meaning the entire 16xx V2 series. I would love a screenshot confirmation that E5-1660 V2 is unlocked but haven't found one...

I am thinking the only major difference would be the additional cache.. which I'm not sure is worth an extra $200 for the price difference between 1650 and 1660...

1650 V2
http://valid.x86.fr/s4qjuc
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Originally Posted by Laithan View Post

Thanks for everyone's input it has been very helpful. Since I've been researching for the past couple hours reading on and on I can at least share what I've found.

I'm looking at 2 entirely different CPUs now in addition to the godly E5-1680V2 that are also apparently unlocked even though intel says they are not smile.gif

Here are the differences between the CPUs. First 2 are both 6 core, one has 3 more MB cache and higher default clock speed. Last one is 8 core.
http://ark.intel.com/products/75780/Intel-Xeon-Processor-E5-1650-v2-12M-Cache-3_50-GHz
http://ark.intel.com/products/75781/Intel-Xeon-Processor-E5-1660-v2-15M-Cache-3_70-GHz
http://ark.intel.com/products/77912/Intel-Xeon-Processor-E5-1680-v2-25M-Cache-3_00-GHz

It seems that the E5-16xx series Xeons are unlocked across V1, V2 and V3 (I am only interested in the V2 series). I have seen screenshots confirming E5-1680 V2 unlocked, E5-1650 V2 unlocked but not E5-1660 V2...although I saw others mention they are "all" unlocked, meaning the entire 16xx V2 series. I would love a screenshot confirmation that E5-1660 V2 is unlocked but haven't found one...

I am thinking the only major difference would be the additional cache.. which I'm not sure is worth an extra $200 for the price difference between 1650 and 1660...

1650 V2
http://valid.x86.fr/s4qjuc
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Okay well this is awesome, That is on water...... his loop also isnt even that good lol. Kind of hard to read, but its 4.698mhz with a voltage of 1.488 ya if I could get close to that speed well that makes me want one.




Anyway on to your needs of a 1660 overclocked.



That is on LN2 but its proof it is overclock able, How have I never seen this.... I am buying one lol.
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I would love a screenshot confirmation that E5-1660 V2 is unlocked but haven't found one...

1660 v2 is unlocked:

http://hwbot.org/submission/2500360_steponz_cinebench___r15_xeon_e5_1660_v2_1631_cb

edit:

Cyber Locc beat me to the punch.

There was a 1603 V2 that someone posted a few months back, it wasn't unlocked. so I think not all 16xx are unlocked.

http://www.overclock.net/t/1564465/psa-unlocked-8core-for-x79-if-you-cared/60



 
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1660 v2 is unlocked:

http://hwbot.org/submission/2500360_steponz_cinebench___r15_xeon_e5_1660_v2_1631_cb

edit:

Cyber Locc beat me to the punch.

There was a 1603 V2 that someone posted a few months back, it wasn't unlocked. so I think not all 16xx are unlocked.

http://www.overclock.net/t/1564465/psa-unlocked-8core-for-x79-if-you-cared/60



 

Ya from what I am seeing its only the 3, 1650,1660,1680 however V1, 2, 3 of all of them are unlocked. That is freaking amazing, seriously I wish I would of known this sooner as it also has the ability to rectify the X99 situation for me, little late now as I am waiting for another Black Edition at this point. However I didnt go x99 as I didnt want to be robbed for some PCI E lanes, I am a cheap skate smile.gif.

However the 1650v3 is a hexacore and has 40 lanes.

Edit: never mind intel thought of that and listed the 1650v3 at 500 too lol, and the 1620v3 is a quad core, and we are not sure its unlocked?
Edit Again: 1620 is not unlocked none of them I think, the V3 for sure.
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Yeah these Xeon are getting me all excited all of a sudden since I first got this 1680 V2 last summer. Bought a W3520 for $20 for my 1366 system recently, yesterday ordered a 6 core x5670 for the same system.

Think I'm a Xeon guy from now on!biggrin.gif

It's worth buying a cheap x79 board and getting a cheap SB-E Xeon to have a nice back up system.
    
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Yeah these Xeon are getting me all excited all of a sudden since I first got this 1680 V2 last summer. Bought a W3520 for $20 for my 1366 system recently, yesterday ordered a 6 core x5670 for the same system.

Think I'm a Xeon guy from now on!biggrin.gif

It's worth buying a cheap x79 board and getting a cheap SB-E Xeon to have a nice back up system.

Dude i was looking at the 1650 SB's there 150 on Ebay there is even some ES's on there. Shoot for that price I will be more than happy to blow some up. I have been waiting for this 4820k to blow up but it just wont happen thing is stupid resilient. When I bought it I was being a cheap skate and then wanted a 4930k but... Now when I try to do it I am like well it works just fine, so I figured if it blows I will get a 4930k. I then upped the voltage to 1.52 and benched it and run it at close to 1.5 24/7 I mean I have it set to 1.45 but with Extreme LLC its pulling more like 1.486 in CPU Z, darn thing still wont blow.....

Its been running for over 2 years now 24 hours a day pumping that voltage and it is still perfect, Everyone screams DONT GO OVER 1.4 it will degrade the chip, well ya I have yet to see that, maybe if you plan to keep it for 6 years lol.
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