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Originally Posted by Madmaxneo View Post

I am having issues and need some help, please read on.
I started getting slowly increasing temps so I decided to re-apply the TIM.
I used the thermal grizzly stuff.

After finishing everything up and booting it up I ran into some problems. First thing is it went into a constant reboot cycle with no other indication of errors. I did notice the last number to flash on the readout was a 14 and that has something to do with "Pre-memory CPU initialization". I turned off the PC and redid the TIM and even checked to make sure none of the CPU pins were bent. I eventually went in and did a F5 reset to my bios settings. After many different attempts the PC finally booted into windows but only after going through about 5 auto restarts. After that I decided to go and change all my OC settings back and once in there I had forgotten what needed changing so I was going to head in here an ask what settings I needed to change again. Unfortunately it went through that constant reboot cycle and would not load into windows. After shutting it down a few times it finally booted into windows. I am on XMP though and my temps seem about the same as when I was OCing (before my temps started slowly increasing), which may or may not be be a testament to my Swiftech AIO.

So my system is running but every time I restart it I have to deal with the constant cycle of it telling me OC has failed and then after going into the BIOS and F5ing it then turning XMP back on and then rebooting itself like 5 or 6 times before it finally starts up.

Does anyone think it could be the CPU or the MB? I have recently noticed one of my MB fan connections does not work correctly as it does not report or affect the fan speed connected to it (I tried several fans and none work correctly in that MB fan connection).

Any help is appreciated.

I had a look around for other people who have had "Pre-memory CPU initialization is started" as the last code before a fail/restart. Considering what the different responses were I would suggest you do the following to cover everything., motherboard first ^^
1. Clear CMOS, boot with no overclock in case that is the problem
2. Check that all power connectors are properly inserted into the motherboard, especially the CPU
3. Check you RAM sticks one at a time in case one maybe bad/ motherboard slot may be dead
4. make sure no TIM got between any pin or on the underside of your CPU

IF all of that fails try a different CPU ...if it works it is most likely your CPU if not...your MB may be the problem frown.gif
post #13692 of 15076
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I had a look around for other people who have had "Pre-memory CPU initialization is started" as the last code before a fail/restart. Considering what the different responses were I would suggest you do the following to cover everything., motherboard first ^^
1. Clear CMOS, boot with no overclock in case that is the problem
2. Check that all power connectors are properly inserted into the motherboard, especially the CPU
3. Check you RAM sticks one at a time in case one maybe bad/ motherboard slot may be dead
4. make sure no TIM got between any pin or on the underside of your CPU

IF all of that fails try a different CPU ...if it works it is most likely your CPU if not...your MB may be the problem frown.gif
Yeah it would not start with XMP enabled this morning. I turned off all OC and left it at stock defaults and it started fine.
One of the first things I did was check all my pins and connections. I may do that all again here in a few moments but this time I will pull everything out and reseat all the connections and the RAM. The last time something like this happened with my XMP not working correctly one of the MB CPU pins was bent so I also checked and double checked those.

I have a Xeon 2670 that I purchase as a temp replacement on the CPU. I may put that in and see how it goes.
I also recently noticed that one of my MB fan pin headers is faulty. It may be a sign that the MB is dying, not sure. I did have an RMA for this MB on that but was not willing to be without the use of my baby for a few weeks.
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post #13693 of 15076
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Yeah it would not start with XMP enabled this morning. I turned off all OC and left it at stock defaults and it started fine.
One of the first things I did was check all my pins and connections. I may do that all again here in a few moments but this time I will pull everything out and reseat all the connections and the RAM. The last time something like this happened with my XMP not working correctly one of the MB CPU pins was bent so I also checked and double checked those.

I have a Xeon 2670 that I purchase as a temp replacement on the CPU. I may put that in and see how it goes.
I also recently noticed that one of my MB fan pin headers is faulty. It may be a sign that the MB is dying, not sure. I did have an RMA for this MB on that but was not willing to be without the use of my baby for a few weeks.

I have heard of problems with XMP and ways to fix it, not to sure but google could help. If everything works without XMP lets hope that is the only problem and that it is fixable ^^

In regards to a faulty fan header could it be fixed ? not sure if you could re-solder it in hopes that fixes the problem.
post #13694 of 15076
Well I reseated everything and rechecked the pins and whatnot. I did find a smudge on the back of the CPU that I apparently missed last night. So I restarted it with XMP enabled and it took like 7 auto reboots before first going into disk check on one of my drives then into windows. I am afraid to restart it now, but it does have to be done.

If I use my Xeon then I will not know if XMP works or not because this Xeon does not support XMP.

Regardless do you remember all the basic settings to change for OCing with this MB?

I can't find the sheets I printed out and marked the settings to change but I do at least remember turning off CPU spread spectrum....lol
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post #13695 of 15076
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Originally Posted by Madmaxneo View Post

Well I reseated everything and rechecked the pins and whatnot. I did find a smudge on the back of the CPU that I apparently missed last night. So I restarted it with XMP enabled and it took like 7 auto reboots before first going into disk check on one of my drives then into windows. I am afraid to restart it now, but it does have to be done.

If I use my Xeon then I will not know if XMP works or not because this Xeon does not support XMP.

Regardless do you remember all the basic settings to change Ocing with this MB?

I can't find the sheets I printed out and marked the settings to change but I do at least remember turning off CPU spread spectrum....lol

I knew there was bound to be something on the underside of the CPU, rather surprising how many people check the pins but never the CPU.
From what you are describing it sounds like when you enable XMP mode it is changing one or more settings that it just does not like hence the restarts.

Since I have never overclocked on X79 yet all I can say is try and reset all values to default and overclock manually without using XMP. if the board boots up this way with your current OC setting then XMP is indeed changing something when enabled.
There are lots of posts online with people having the same problem as you and only with XMP enabled :O

If it still fails when not using XMP when the other option I have is the CPU power supply is not enough, are you using the 4-pin or 8-pin to power the CPU as your OC may need more power than you are giving it.

Now I have a question regarding drivers frown.gif I always remember Linus from NCIX / Linus tech tips telling people not to use the driver disk, download the latest from the Asus website. Thing is windows 10 gives me 4-5 drivers to download while 8.1 gives me a load more...do I use the disk, download 8.1 latest versions from the website then windows 10 what ?
post #13696 of 15076
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I knew there was bound to be something on the underside of the CPU, rather surprising how many people check the pins but never the CPU.
From what you are describing it sounds like when you enable XMP mode it is changing one or more settings that it just does not like hence the restarts.

Since I have never overclocked on X79 yet all I can say is try and reset all values to default and overclock manually without using XMP. if the board boots up this way with your current OC setting then XMP is indeed changing something when enabled.
There are lots of posts online with people having the same problem as you and only with XMP enabled :O

If it still fails when not using XMP when the other option I have is the CPU power supply is not enough, are you using the 4-pin or 8-pin to power the CPU as your OC may need more power than you are giving it.

Now I have a question regarding drivers frown.gif I always remember Linus from NCIX / Linus tech tips telling people not to use the driver disk, download the latest from the Asus website. Thing is windows 10 gives me 4-5 drivers to download while 8.1 gives me a load more...do I use the disk, download 8.1 latest versions from the website then windows 10 what ?

Well TBH I have been using this board for over a year now and it has been running fine until I decided to reapply the TIM. I have changed out the CPU a few times, to include testing the Xeon chip. Other than the Xeon XMP has worked fine the whole time. I had my chip OCd to 4.3ghz (which is the max for my sub par 4930k) but everything was running great until now. I keep double checking and looking at everything and it all seems fine except I can't seem to boot normally with any of my OC settings.

I was hoping someone who knows this board could help which is why I posted here.
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post #13697 of 15076
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Originally Posted by Madmaxneo View Post

Well TBH I have been using this board for over a year now and it has been running fine until I decided to reapply the TIM. I have changed out the CPU a few times, to include testing the Xeon chip. Other than the Xeon XMP has worked fine the whole time. I had my chip OCd to 4.3ghz (which is the max for my sub par 4930k) but everything was running great until now. I keep double checking and looking at everything and it all seems fine except I can't seem to boot normally with any of my OC settings.

I was hoping someone who knows this board could help which is why I posted here.

I just can't see how putting new TIM would mess up your overclock ability in XMP, it is just not possible that it would mess up your board or the CPU. I have only just started using X79 with the Rampage IV BE so i'm sorry if my advice is either already known or whatever XD

The only factor that has changed on your setup is new TIM so the problem must be that, what kind are you using and how old is ?
I use the Noctua NT-H1 and it says replace tube after 2 years, only other thing I can think of is that the new TIM is not transferring the heat away from the CPU fast enough hence the 7 restarts before it works and loads windows.

It has to be the TIM since it is the only change you have made, besides that you could try switching to the second BIOS chip and see if that works. for all we know your BIOS could be bugged somehow.
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I just can't see how putting new TIM would mess up your overclock ability in XMP, it is just not possible that it would mess up your board or the CPU. I have only just started using X79 with the Rampage IV BE so i'm sorry if my advice is either already known or whatever XD

The only factor that has changed on your setup is new TIM so the problem must be that, what kind are you using and how old is ?
I use the Noctua NT-H1 and it says replace tube after 2 years, only other thing I can think of is that the new TIM is not transferring the heat away from the CPU fast enough hence the 7 restarts before it works and loads windows.

It has to be the TIM since it is the only change you have made, besides that you could try switching to the second BIOS chip and see if that works. for all we know your BIOS could be bugged somehow.
I am pretty sure it is not my TIM. I am using the thermal grizzly stuff. My temps are fine for stock settings. it runs mid 20's to low 30's. I am running XMP now but it takes a few restarts before it boots into windows. It keeps wanting to do a disk check on my 2tb WD black drive. I have let it and it supposedly finds errors but even if I do not let it check the disk that drive runs fine. But even if it wasn't that is not my primary drive, it is my games drive.
I did an intel burn test and it passed and faster than it normally does though my CPU is not OC'd right now.
I agree it is odd that it happened after I changed the TIM but it could be the CPU starting to degrade finally. My max OC on this 4930k is 4.3ghz, any higher and it bsods within seconds of starting a stress test no matter the bios settings. But it runs 4.3ghz like a champ with no problems whatsoever (until now). My temps stayed in the low to mid 30's under that OC at idle and no higher than the mid 60's under load. But I made some changes to my PC's cooling set up. I added a HEPA filter at the top above my H240-X and changed the normal side panel with fan to a full window side panel. My temps jumped up about 5 degrees initially but I saw a slow increase in my idle temps over a week. I have since removed the HEPA filter.

It may also be the MB. But I am not entirely sure. Yeah I could try the Xeon chip I have but it does not OC well and does not support XMP. I am thinking it may be time to send the 4930k in for replacement as I have the intel tuning plan on it. It might be the only way to tell.
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Sounds WAY more like a bent pin or a mis-seated chip to me.  It would be way more than just "coincidental" if your chip suddenly started to "degrade" right after you re-seated it.  Occam's Razor would suggest something went wrong in the re-seating.

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Sounds WAY more like a bent pin or a mis-seated chip to me.  It would be way more than just "coincidental" if your chip suddenly started to "degrade" right after you re-seated it.  Occam's Razor would suggest something went wrong in the re-seating.
I agree but I have closely inspected the pins like 4 or 5 times and everything looks good. If I get the chance tomorrow I will open up the PC on the kitchen table and pull most everything out and check it all again. I need to rearrange for some cable management and may try installing the replacement NZXT Grid + V2 for my fans.

What are the basic settings for OC on this board? I know to disable the spread spectrums but what about the other settings like CPU and VCCSA current capabilities and load line calibration amongst others?
I can't find the paper I had that I printed out with all the settings I need to change. It is around here somewhere.......
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