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Hello

I tried to heat the rad I/O to remove the heatpipe with a heat gun (1800W, 560 °) for more than 30 minutes (heating at the groove on the heatpipe) but without success, nothing moves. mad.gif
I even feel that the glue does not ramolit

I do not have a torch or other.
Too bad, I will not use the rad I/O with waterblock frown.gif
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EZ_Plug has had slightly different implementations over the years. For example, the 6-pin PCIe plug on RIVE/MVE, was there to provide power to PCIe...but on these two boards in particular, ASUS put a special VRM on the board to provide that power...and you could adjust PCIe 3.3V voltage thanks to that.

On RIVBE, it's just to provide extra power to PCIe slots, and that's it.
I leave storage on the ASMedia ports, as well as back-up drives. I simply disable the drive controller I am not using in BIOS, and that way the drives can't be accessed improperly. There's no RAID support on these plugs, so it's really meant for that, I suspect.


@Cad

So talked to G Skill they're not giving a good response either, all they said are both are excellent choices Lol though they did answer on the XMP stating that their XMP profiles ONLY support what the actual speed rating says on the box so if its 2400 then its 2400 there is no step down. I don't know why it's such a hard decision, I want to get the 2400 but at the same time kind of afraid it still may not boot, though since its all 1 kit maybe I'd get lucky?

If nothing I have would see an advantage to this ( I'm most concerned about Surround gaming in 1440p ) @ 2400mhz then I'll grab the 2133mhz no question. That should be the deal breaker. Either way they're gonna send me a check for whichever I order as a refund since for the RMA I'd have to wait a couple weeks but they said if I purchase from New Egg and show them the receipt they'll send me a check in the mail after receiving my X sticks.
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@Cad

So talked to G Skill they're not giving a good response either, all they said are both are excellent choices Lol though they did answer on the XMP stating that their XMP profiles ONLY support what the actual speed rating says on the box so if its 2400 then its 2400 there is no step down. I don't know why it's such a hard decision, I want to get the 2400 but at the same time kind of afraid it still may not boot, though since its all 1 kit maybe I'd get lucky?

If nothing I have would see an advantage to this ( I'm most concerned about Surround gaming in 1440p ) @ 2400mhz then I'll grab the 2133mhz no question. That should be the deal breaker. Either way they're gonna send me a check for whichever I order as a refund since for the RMA I'd have to wait a couple weeks but they said if I purchase from New Egg and show them the receipt they'll send me a check in the mail after receiving my X sticks.

Yeah I could be mistaken...I've reviewed quite a few memory kit over the years. tongue.gif Maybe it's the Kingston wit hdual-SPD...uh...well, whatever.

Take the 2400.

And yes, it's a bit different with one kit with 8 sticks vs two 4-stick kits, since SPD will be optimized for having all slots full.

If it doesn't work right, accept it as a challenge to force you to learn to tweak memory. biggrin.gif


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Yeah I could be mistaken...I've reviewed quite a few memory kit over the years. tongue.gif Maybe it's the Kingston wit hdual-SPD...uh...well, whatever.

Take the 2400.

And yes, it's a bit different with one kit with 8 sticks vs two 4-stick kits, since SPD will be optimized for having all slots full.

If it doesn't work right, accept it as a challenge to force you to learn to tweak memory. biggrin.gif


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K also last question would adjusting the Mem voltage help any? I popped my X's @ 1.67 which made them stable @ 2400, though I know they're amazing @ voltage as even @ 1.8 they barely get warm, so unsure about the Ripjaws and how they'd handle and all as far as heat wise.

If you think tweaking will help then yeah I'll just go for the 2400's My chip can't do any higher than 4.5 it seems even 4.6 is impossible w/ 1.5v it just freezes @ the windows loading. Reset button even refuses to work I have to hold power.

So at least I know 4.5 I can still work with. Not sure if I'm missing anything if running @ 5ghz or not.



EDIT

Interesting read and feedback from G Skill ( Not my review btw lol )

http://www.newegg.com/Product/SingleProductReview.aspx?reviewid=3961022

Snipping a bit, quoting directly from G Skill for anyone else wondering. So I'll go ahead w/ the 2400, heck maybe it'll stabilize better and let my CPU not twerk out, we'll see. Went ahead and purchased the 64gb 2400.
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Simply because a motherboard supports 64GB and DDR3-2400, does NOT automatically imply it can support 64GB @ DDR3-2400. In addition, not all CPUs can support this RAM either. Only Intel K and X series CPUs are capable. As you know, this is no ordinary RAM, this is an extreme high capacity memory that pushes the maximum limits. If you refer to the Qualified Motherboards List, only the ASUS Rampage IV (Black and Extreme), X79 Deluxe, and MSI X79A-GD45 Plus motherboards are fully guaranteed for this memory kit. With one of these motherboards and a capable CPU, enable XMP and everything will run at full speed. With all other motherboards such as the P9X79 Pro, you can enable XMP, set the DRAM Frequency to DDR3-2133, and see how that works. If stable, then tweak voltages and such to see if you can stabilize DDR3-2400. This RAM at DDR3-2133 is still better than any other RAM on the market, so you will definitely get the maximum performance out of your system either way.

Edited by LunaP - 2/27/14 at 12:25pm
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@LunaP
I'de go for the 2400.
If you went with the 2133 I think the odds are they'll be wore then the 2400.
I always go straight to 1.65v and "usually" keep it around there.


The cpu clocks...
I messed around a little bit trying to find the best program to test it with.
The quickest...
IBT/Linx is the fastest so far, it'll catch it within mins if it's to unstable.
If it's on the edge, IBT and Linx won't detect an error at all, tried around 4 hrs of it and it detected nothing.

In the end, y-cruncher does the job within an 2-5hrs.
However it won't always catch cpu errors either in some cases (at least in the past for me..., not so far this board and cpu though...)
I tried the latest y-cruncher, and that couldn't detect them within 4hrs.
So I'm still using y-cruncher v0.5.4 Build 9148 (fix 1).
Stress test > 1gb (menu: 2 > 2).

Gaming wise, didn't test everything but even pcsx2 in software mode still has trouble detecting the errors.

Have not tried pll overvoltage or anything like that even though I know it helps.

This is at 4.45ghz.
4.4ghz I know is 100%.
Just trying to find alt programs to error out at this vcore and speed.
And so far no luck at all smile.gif.

I have not ran prime yet.
I did for a bit and noticed one of my cores hit 69c with that compared to all other apps hitting 65c max.

Do note I have the 2x140mm stock fans on my rad running at the lowest duty cycle.
Pump is powered directly by the psu.
It's a nzxt x60.
Like I said only 2 fans and they are running at low speed.

I messed with ibt at 5.5ghz.
PLL overvoltage and that other setting helps.
LLC extreme helps...
Adding more vcore helps...
But it's never enough for complete 5.56ghz stability.
I went up 0.05v or so on the thing.
I think it's heat.
Haven't tried messing with the cpu on other straps though, just mem a little bit.

I got around 2830mhz mem to bench, and 3025'ish or whatever it was to boot windows.
I think it was harder then it should of been though.
It wasn't any faster then 2400 + oc'ed bclk, at least not at the timings I set just to get it to boot 10-14, it's what the bios had for a profile... (didn't mess around with it)


Does anyone know if xeon es cpu's will work on any of the bios'es?
Like on the pre-release 0208?
I am just curious.

I know it's not likely to bebale to use the latest xeon 15core that just came out in the news a few days ago.
I'm gonna try to get a tray of these, it's just an idea I had last night, it just depends on if my cousin goes to china or not.
I wouldn't sell them or anything, I'de use them smile.gif.
I was thinking that I get one, mod the bios to put the microcode in from the latest linux package maybe.
Goofy idea yeah maybe, but thinking about almost 3x the cpu threads has me thinking it may be worth it smile.gif.

Has anyone even put an es 8 core xeon in this board before?
I mean in pre-release of course..., not likely to be supported at all by now.

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Originally Posted by tistou77 View Post

Hello

I tried to heat the rad I/O to remove the heatpipe with a heat gun (1800W, 560 °) for more than 30 minutes (heating at the groove on the heatpipe) but without success, nothing moves. mad.gif
I even feel that the glue does not ramolit

I do not have a torch or other.
Too bad, I will not use the rad I/O with waterblock frown.gif

I'de say screw it at that point and rip off the heatpipe and then sand it, you'll never see the underside of it again anyways.
I assume you never plan on swapping it back to the standard heatsink assembly.
Unless part of the heatpipe stays on there when you rip it off, then it would be a pain, ... needle nose pliers and perhaps having to sand alot more then bargained for.
Edited by NEOAethyr - 2/27/14 at 12:39pm
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@ LunaP

This is weird, and not very reassuring to me, but just the other day when I was asking you exactly which 64GB G.Skill sets you were debating getting, on this 64GB set of 2133 Ripjaws the RIVBE hadn't been put on G.Skill's QVL list
http://www.gskill.com/en/product/f3-17000cl11q2-64gbzld

But at the time on these 2400 Ripjaws the RIVBE had recently been listed in the QVL for that set.
http://www.gskill.com/en/product/f3-19200cl10q2-64gbzhd

I posted about it here (3 days, 22 hours ago) as soon as I noticed they had added the RIVBE to the QVL for that 2400 set.

But now when I look at it the RIVBE isn't showing up on their QVL for that 2400 set any more.

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It might sound like a stupid question, why do you need 64 GB of ram anyway?? Is it based on certain programs that you have to run, that are very demanding on how much Ram you have?

Just curious to know why LUNA, because as i understand it the more Ram you have installed the bigger strain there is on the IMC!

Regards,

AJ.
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64gigs @ 2400 will likely be hynix mfr, that's the best high density stuff I know off at the moment, the best of the best, might be a bit to work with though.
32gigs you could end up with avg samsung or single sidded mfr (4 sticks would be ds mfr, 8 would be ss mfr).
16gigs, if you pick right then good samsung, otherwise cfr (samsung would be the better and the best performing out of all other configs probably, minus the small amount of ram it equ's to).

Prob is with 64gigs, I don't think they tested the board with that config.
There isn't a single mem profile for it, and none of the bench screenies that came out before the board was release had a screen of 64gig.
You should beable to get 2400 out of it, actually I personally think 2600-2800 is doable with ds mfr (not that I would know or anything..., just a guess).
But right now as is I think mainly 2400 is doable, probably have to wait for more bios updates for higher.
That's what I think anyways.
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It might sound like a stupid question, why do you need 64 GB of ram anyway?? Is it based on certain programs that you have to run, that are very demanding on how much Ram you have?

Just curious to know why LUNA, because as i understand it the more Ram you have installed the bigger strain there is on the IMC!

Regards,

AJ.

I'd be happy to answer this for the 10th time lol, I have applications, that are high demands in RAM and I am coming from having 24gb of RAM of which I was keeping around 75% usage and anything over 50% = uh oh.

If I could get away w/ 32gb then yes, but as of current even w/ the 32 I was still having somewhat of an issue. I do a lot of photoshop editing, working with rendering, streaming video @ 2560x1440 @ high rates, doing video encodes as well as VM's open in the bg while I game.

Ofc there's always the default answer THIS IS OCN!!!! GO BIG OR GO HOME biggrin.gif

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Originally Posted by NEOAethyr View Post

64gigs @ 2400 will likely be hynix mfr, that's the best high density stuff I know off at the moment, the best of the best, might be a bit to work with though.
32gigs you could end up with avg samsung or single sidded mfr (4 sticks would be ds mfr, 8 would be ss mfr).
16gigs, if you pick right then good samsung, otherwise cfr (samsung would be the better and the best performing out of all other configs probably, minus the small amount of ram it equ's to).

Prob is with 64gigs, I don't think they tested the board with that config.
There isn't a single mem profile for it, and none of the bench screenies that came out before the board was release had a screen of 64gig.
You should beable to get 2400 out of it, actually I personally think 2600-2800 is doable with ds mfr (not that I would know or anything..., just a guess).
But right now as is I think mainly 2400 is doable, probably have to wait for more bios updates for higher.
That's what I think anyways.

I'm almost wondering if My X's had 1 set of Hynix and the other Samsung lol.
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It might sound like a stupid question, why do you need 64 GB of ram anyway?? Is it based on certain programs that you have to run, that are very demanding on how much Ram you have?

Just curious to know why LUNA, because as i understand it the more Ram you have installed the bigger strain there is on the IMC!

Regards,

AJ.

Well, for myself I want to be able to try out ram disk and see how well it works or not for programs like autocad, solidworks, adobe premier pro (all of which I use daily), etc and maybe some games.
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