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I am curious, in all of the research I have ever done, I have never found anywhere that any RAM speed above ~1333MHz is of any benefit in ANY situation, ever. So why do so many people insist on spending so much on faster RAM when a faster (insert any other component here) would be of infinitely more benefit...?

Not to be negative in ANY way, but I see people claiming that 2400MHz RAM cut their rendering times in half, all things being equal, which is just a full load of manure...

Anybody else seeing this trend? I understand that a person might not have a need for 756GB of RAM, but to say that speed is more important than capacity, is their reason for spending twice as much on the same capacity seems, in my research, to be a blatant misrepresentation of facts...

A lot of us are overclockers that post results in threads here, at FutureMark and HWbot. Overclock.net has a team on HWbot. There are World Records and a Hall of Fame.

Fast ram improves our benchmarking results, usually more than tight timings, but some cpu/chipset combinations have different abilities and plateau with differing speeds. Quantity of ram usually limits the OC capacity of the main processor. So an overclocker will go for the quantity of ram that doesn't hinder overclocking, and buy the ram that he thinks capable of getting the best results out of his pc.

This same pc is often used for gaming. There are gains to be had in fps, but the gains are not that noticeable to a user. It can be measured, again, by a benchmark. People post their results and compare the results they can coax out of their computers. For us types, it's worth it.

Large quantities of ram are more suited to particular tasks like batch image editing, servers, cad-cam, virtualisation, ram-drives, you know, the serious stuff that can require a different build for purpose.
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I am curious, in all of the research I have ever done, I have never found anywhere that any RAM speed above ~1333MHz is of any benefit in ANY situation, ever. So why do so many people insist on spending so much on faster RAM when a faster (insert any other component here) would be of infinitely more benefit...?

Not to be negative in ANY way, but I see people claiming that 2400MHz RAM cut their rendering times in half, all things being equal, which is just a full load of manure...

Anybody else seeing this trend? I understand that a person might not have a need for 756GB of RAM, but to say that speed is more important than capacity, is their reason for spending twice as much on the same capacity seems, in my research, to be a blatant misrepresentation of facts...

me thinks you need to look at the domain name, i can see and feel the difference between 1333/1600 and 2400 who ever told you that, is full of it, but also to add in is diminishing results,

but since 1333 is the same as 2400

obviously a C2duo @ 1ghz is enough for you right ??
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I am curious, in all of the research I have ever done, I have never found anywhere that any RAM speed above ~1333MHz is of any benefit in ANY situation, ever. So why do so many people insist on spending so much on faster RAM when a faster (insert any other component here) would be of infinitely more benefit...?

Not to be negative in ANY way, but I see people claiming that 2400MHz RAM cut their rendering times in half, all things being equal, which is just a full load of manure...

Anybody else seeing this trend? I understand that a person might not have a need for 756GB of RAM, but to say that speed is more important than capacity, is their reason for spending twice as much on the same capacity seems, in my research, to be a blatant misrepresentation of facts...

You get very slight improvements on benchmarks, thats about it for me. Considering 1600mhz kits cost almost the same as faster kits, why not go with the fastest available?

a 2x8 1600mhz G.Skill Trident X is 164.99 on newegg vs a 2400Kit that is 199.99.

A small improvement is still an improvement. We all know that the high end stuff tends to suck when it comes to price to performance ratio, but to lose sleep cause your 2400mhz kit is only stable at 2133 is absurd.

My 2400mhx kit , gets me 20 points on Cinebench R15 vs the same kit running at 1600. That means some games now or in the future might also take advantage of faster memory. Still not enough for me to notice it without a benchmark giving me a score, but that also applies to overclocking a cpu. To be honest, I only notice the difference in frequency on benchmarks that get me a score and I can see the correlation between frequency and average fps. Its a hobby, some of us do it just for fun. People are already pushing memory past 3000, it's just how it is.
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It seems I was a bit vague in my post...I was primarily referring to the people that claim faster RAM will yield significant improvements discernable to the user, as I completely understand the benchmarking aspect of it, just not really the people claiming that they are getting these huge benefits in real-world scenarios...

Perhaps that is more indicative of what I meant.
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It seems I was a bit vague in my post...I was primarily referring to the people that claim faster RAM will yield significant improvements discernable to the user, as I completely understand the benchmarking aspect of it, just not really the people claiming that they are getting these huge benefits in real-world scenarios...

Perhaps that is more indicative of what I meant.
ok here is one real world solution you can EASILY see the difference in, ever hear of ramdisk ?
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ok here is one real world solution you can EASILY see the difference in, ever hear of ramdisk ?

Absolutely, the very reason I have 32GB of RAM, but even there, the performance gains from the slowest to fastest RAM is like 2%, certainly not worth the entry fee, as it were... Again, I completely understand the desire to have the 'fastest', but I do not subscribe to the idea that speed equals performance, as that is not really the case, especially with RAM. Again, this perception is based solely on the research I have done myself, and twenty years of personal experience.

If someone could show me some reliable information regarding their experiences to the contrary it would be greatly appreciated. In my personal experience I have not observed, with consistency, RAM speeds that significantly increase perceived performance, even from the slowest to the fastest speeds on a given platform.

Again, I really am open to the fact that I may be incorrect in a given operation, but in all the claims I have seen I have yet to see actual evidence, just some tweaker that wants to sound like he overclocked his RAM to ultrafast...

Sort of like a friend I have that used to make claims like, 'I fit Windows 95 on a floppy disk', even though at the time it was HUGE news that a team got it down to something like 5MB.

Again, to put it in a short sentence, I fully accept information based on facts, but I do not accept claims that are not based on evidence.

Just asking if anybody has some concrete evidence of any area where the noticeable gain is factual,and not farcical.
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Absolutely, the very reason I have 32GB of RAM, but even there, the performance gains from the slowest to fastest RAM is like 2%, certainly not worth the entry fee, as it were... Again, I completely understand the desire to have the 'fastest', but I do not subscribe to the idea that speed equals performance, as that is not really the case, especially with RAM. Again, this perception is based solely on the research I have done myself, and twenty years of personal experience.

If someone could show me some reliable information regarding their experiences to the contrary it would be greatly appreciated. In my personal experience I have not observed, with consistency, RAM speeds that significantly increase perceived performance, even from the slowest to the fastest speeds on a given platform.

Again, I really am open to the fact that I may be incorrect in a given operation, but in all the claims I have seen I have yet to see actual evidence, just some tweaker that wants to sound like he overclocked his RAM to ultrafast...

Sort of like a friend I have that used to make claims like, 'I fit Windows 95 on a floppy disk', even though at the time it was HUGE news that a team got it down to something like 5MB.

Again, to put it in a short sentence, I fully accept information based on facts, but I do not accept claims that are not based on evidence.

Just asking if anybody has some concrete evidence of any area where the noticeable gain is factual,and not farcical.

You seem to have found the answer to your own question. Not sure where you're trying to get at.
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You seem to have found the answer to your own question. Not sure where you're trying to get at.

I feel I was rather clear, I am trying to get at truth, as ever in my life, my goal is always the facts of a given thing, and regardless of how right I might think I am, I am always open to facts that lend a different perspective, as information and education are never bad things, regardless of what some might think.

My objective, is merely to see if there is anybody with facts that show otherwise, and if there is nobody with such information, then it is reasonable to surmise that the claims from people to the contrary must be falsifications, as no other explanation exists.

As stated, my goal is not to prove myself correct, but to question the claims of others in an effort to better explain the reality and differences in information that I observe. On one hand I see my experience, and my research, on the other hand I see the experience and research of others, and invariably, we both can not be correct when our observations are differing.

I am not certain how to better explain myself, and perhaps I should post elsewhere, in a forum that will provide evidence, as I just meant for this to be a quick post with a couple people providing evidence, but somehow my explanation of what I am looking for seems to be lost.

Once more, I am requesting factual information, regarding the non-benchmark performance of varying RAM speeds that supports the notion that there is a significant variance in a speed/performance ratio.

Again, perhaps the wrong forum for such a request, but it just popped into my mind after reading a few earlier posts.
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