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you say you dont want benchmarks, but you want to be shown proof? how do you expect anyone to be able to do this ? a video ?
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I feel I was rather clear, I am trying to get at truth, as ever in my life, my goal is always the facts of a given thing, and regardless of how right I might think I am, I am always open to facts that lend a different perspective, as information and education are never bad things, regardless of what some might think.

My objective, is merely to see if there is anybody with facts that show otherwise, and if there is nobody with such information, then it is reasonable to surmise that the claims from people to the contrary must be falsifications, as no other explanation exists.

As stated, my goal is not to prove myself correct, but to question the claims of others in an effort to better explain the reality and differences in information that I observe. On one hand I see my experience, and my research, on the other hand I see the experience and research of others, and invariably, we both can not be correct when our observations are differing.

I am not certain how to better explain myself, and perhaps I should post elsewhere, in a forum that will provide evidence, as I just meant for this to be a quick post with a couple people providing evidence, but somehow my explanation of what I am looking for seems to be lost.

Once more, I am requesting factual information, regarding the non-benchmark performance of varying RAM speeds that supports the notion that there is a significant variance in a speed/performance ratio.

Again, perhaps the wrong forum for such a request, but it just popped into my mind after reading a few earlier posts.

So you're trying to find what doesn't exist. Here or on any forum, you won't find some one that could say 2400mhz offers a significant improvement over 1333mhz memory. Most applications a games generally do not take advantage of the added frequencies, yet. And the ones that do, only bump performance by a small, unnoticeable percentage. Thats just the way it is. My only mental note of the faster memory was getting a1050 score on cinebench with a stock 4930k and 2400mhz cl9 memory vs a 1030 score with a stock 4930K Cl11 1600Mhz.

I remember reading articles that BF4 takes advantage of faster memory. I hate battlefield and don not care to do any testing, but if you have access to really fast memory that you can compare to 1333 memory, feel free to do the tests and report back to us.

Also memory timings seem to affect frequency, so frequency is only part of the equation when trying to graph improvements, timings should also be taken into consideration.

I remember watching this a while back, while further testing is required because of the timings, some info may be useful. thumb.gif

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I just installed the new BIOS, left all the CPU settings on auto except for the XMP profile. Will try to OC tomorrow and see if 4.8GHZ is at least benchmark stable.
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It seems I was a bit vague in my post...I was primarily referring to the people that claim faster RAM will yield significant improvements discernable to the user, as I completely understand the benchmarking aspect of it, just not really the people claiming that they are getting these huge benefits in real-world scenarios...


Don't see any people claiming that in this thread of late (if at all). Maybe you're talking to guys that know there is not much in it already - wrong place to start the convo perhaps...
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you say you dont want benchmarks, but you want to be shown proof? how do you expect anyone to be able to do this ? a video ?

Indeed a shorthand error, I am interested in non-synthetic benchmarks, thank you for pointing out my error, as that is a very specific difference that would surely lead to confusion. :-)
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So you're trying to find what doesn't exist. Here or on any forum, you won't find some one that could say 2400mhz offers a significant improvement over 1333mhz memory. Most applications a games generally do not take advantage of the added frequencies, yet. And the ones that do, only bump performance by a small, unnoticeable percentage. Thats just the way it is. My only mental note of the faster memory was getting a1050 score on cinebench with a stock 4930k and 2400mhz cl9 memory vs a 1030 score with a stock 4930K Cl11 1600Mhz.

I remember reading articles that BF4 takes advantage of faster memory. I hate battlefield and don not care to do any testing, but if you have access to really fast memory that you can compare to 1333 memory, feel free to do the tests and report back to us.

Also memory timings seem to affect frequency, so frequency is only part of the equation when trying to graph improvements, timings should also be taken into consideration.

I remember watching this a while back, while further testing is required because of the timings, some info may be useful. thumb.gif


My goal is not exactly to find what does not exist, only to find the truth of the matter. I thank you as well for pointing out an error, my objective should have been stated as the performance difference, and not the speed.

Also, thank you for the video, I love linustech. He uses the most sound logic most of the time, and he points out, very clearly that his opinion is not 'fact' only his interpretation of what he observes, though I do not always agree with his methods, I do feel he is a very reliable source of information.
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Trying to justify to go to 2400Mhz over 1600Mhz is like trying to justify choosing to get a R4BE (this very topic is about) and a 4930k over a M6E and a 4770k.
The difference is very very slight.
Here a pic from googling 2400 vs 1600


Why not get the better for not much more money if they goal is to be future proof? wink.gif
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Is there new Bios out for this board? the Asus Website shows the 0403 that is the one that came on my board.
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Is there new Bios out for this board? the Asus Website shows the 0403 that is the one that came on my board.
Yes:
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UEFI 0602 beta for anyone that wants to test. Some changes to current sensing for OCP (leave on auto to test), and some 125 strap changes for SNB-E (still evaluating the latter). No other changes.

My personal media fire account link for download: https://www.mediafire.com/?7qw9wjnz88g570p


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what are ur nem timings I had to adjust mine for apot on read/write
9-9-9-24 for 1600 MHz. 12-12-12-36 for 2133 MHz. Secondary timings are bog standard from SPD.


These are my current settings after BIOS update, I didn't fine tune them yet. Thought it's bit strange WCL is set to 8 and AIDA reads it as 7. I use LoVo hynix chips BTW, thus 1600 MHz uses 1.350 V. Strangely 1866 MHz was lol no, however 2133 MHz was extremely easy in comparison to 1866 MHz. (I forgot timings I used on 1866, it was hard work to even boot. Rampage tweak 2 doesn't work with my RAM/CPU combination. I think I managed to get through in mode 1 in my 1866 MHz tests.)


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I'll try this when I get home. Any downsides to altering the voltage frequency?
That should answer Raja, Asus folk should know downsides the best. However considering the max value is 1100 kHz (min 300 kHz), it should still be well within safe range. Higher frequency should increase power consumption because of switching overhead, on the other hand it should smooth voltage and make things much more responsive.

BTW Raja what mosfet voltage is better for summer heats? 6V or 7V?
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Indeed a shorthand error, I am interested in non-synthetic benchmarks, thank you for pointing out my error, as that is a very specific difference that would surely lead to confusion. :-)
My goal is not exactly to find what does not exist, only to find the truth of the matter. I thank you as well for pointing out an error, my objective should have been stated as the performance difference, and not the speed.


You can check any of my memory review to see that at most in 3D, you get about 10% in FPS at only the best of times going from 1333 to 2400 MHz, and that's really only in the tests I picked because they show gains...many things do not.

However, when you are pushing multiple VGAs, and things like microstutter occur, the perceivable difference can be much greater...if that 2-5% means your frame rates go from under 60 FPS, to over 60 FPS, with a 60 Hz monitor.


FOr the longest time, most gamers would OC trying to reach that 60 FPS, since the hardware really wasn't that capable compared to what the software needed. Today, that's not the same...hardware VASTLY exceeds software.... and the software is about 5 years behind the hardware.


Someonne asked yesterday about new drivers...I looked last night at the ASUS site...Wi-Fi, LAN, audio, AI Suite and RamDisk software all have new downloads.
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