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I got a 3970X to play with, I did some stress testing at 4.7 - 4.8 GHz just fine, then figured I want to test this at stock since I bought it as second hand. Previous CPU was 4960X.

Now whatever settings I apply, the CPU throttles to 3.4 - 3.5 GHz under Prime95. AFAIK lowest multi for 3970X is 35, not 34. smile.gif Cannot even OC anymore...the OC settings apply when I am at idle, but under stress it immediately throttles.

I flashed old BIOS back but that didn't help either. Power options do nothing (CC, LLC, long/short duration power limit, Windows CPU minimum power state...).. Funny thing is that once I load up TurboV Core it says I am using multiplier 267. Corrupted BIOS? I did a BIOS flash back and it didn't help.

Maybe it's time to fire this thing up on my old trusty RIVE? Seen some throttling on RIVE due to VRM overheating, but nothing like this which happens immediately.

Edit. Figured it out. It's still about the short/long duration power limit in BIOS. It's amazing that ASUS BIOS team has not fixed this yet? wink.gif
Edited by xarot - 4/7/14 at 10:33am
post #7012 of 15076
Back to the 0507 bios for me, compared to the 0602 bios, no variation of vcore idle/load (with the same settings)
With 0602, forced to mount the vcore to be stable and have a problem of cold boot if the vcore is not increased

I hope that Asus will be the next bios based on the 0507 and not on the 0602 tongue.gif
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post #7013 of 15076
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Originally Posted by tistou77 View Post

Back to the 0507 bios for me, compared to the 0602 bios, no variation of vcore idle/load (with the same settings)
With 0602, forced to mount the vcore to be stable and have a problem of cold boot if the vcore is not increased

I hope that Asus will be the next bios based on the 0507 and not on the 0602 tongue.gif

It's just a current sense change - so I would not worry about these Vcore compares. Set the voltage the CPU needs to be stable. You cannot see the peak undershoot or overshoot without a scope - don't rely on software or DMM for such things. The future builds will be based on the 0602 release.
post #7014 of 15076
Damn so id best head over to rog ask them to mod the 0403 bios,miss the super cool temps i used to be able to run crysis 1-3 ultra details 4.8ghz max temp was 41c..
post #7015 of 15076
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Originally Posted by Raja@ASUS View Post

It's just a current sense change - so I would not worry about these Vcore compares. Set the voltage the CPU needs to be stable. You cannot see the peak undershoot or overshoot without a scope - don't rely on software or DMM for such things. The future builds will be based on the 0602 release.

Comparing 0507 and 0602 (same settings, LLC High)

With the 0507:

Bios Vcore: 1.26v
Vcore read bios and windows (idle / load): 1.264v
stable bench (LinX, etc ...) and no problem of cold boot

With these settings and the 0602, the bench is not stable, and I'm having problems with cold boot

I must put these settings

Bios Vcore: 1.27v
Vcore read bios and windows, idle: 1.28v, load: 1.264v
to be stable bench and no problem of cold boot

I don't understand why the 0602 bios and the next, it needs more vcore
New policy of Asus?

After I was accustomed to bios of Shamino, best/optimized every time
Here it is the opposite tongue.gif
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post #7016 of 15076
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Originally Posted by tistou77 View Post

Comparing 0507 and 0602 (same settings, LLC High)

With the 0507:

Bios Vcore: 1.26v
Vcore read bios and windows (idle / load): 1.264v
stable bench (LinX, etc ...) and no problem of cold boot

With these settings and the 0602, the bench is not stable, and I'm having problems with cold boot

I must put these settings

Bios Vcore: 1.27v
Vcore read bios and windows, idle: 1.28v, load: 1.264v
to be stable bench and no problem of cold boot

I don't understand why the 0602 bios and the next, it needs more vcore
New policy of Asus?

After I was accustomed to bios of Shamino, best/optimized every time
Here it is the opposite tongue.gif

This is probably a bit past your understanding but here goes:

You are forgetting that Vcore on its own means nothing - it the current the CPU draws with Vcore that matters. As there was a regulation and current sensing change, the Vcore needs adjustment to ensure the CPU gets the current it needs to be stable.


In other words these Vcore compares you are making are meaningless because the current ramping (hence error correction) of the VRM has changed.

Set the Vcore the CPU needs on 0602 and be happy. Stop worrying about the Vocre change smile.gif


Oh an BTW, maybe this will help put your finicky nature at rest - the Vcore current circuit is Shamino's idea smile.gif
Edited by Raja@ASUS - 4/7/14 at 5:56am
post #7017 of 15076
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Originally Posted by Ftimster View Post

Any one still on 403?? I am and still running strong!! Tryed 50..whatever and crash crash.....

exactly what happened to me ..going strong on original bios!

I've always would go to the newest bios on all my other ASUS boards

but this one I'm using the old if it ant broke don't flash it .......lol
post #7018 of 15076
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Originally Posted by Shadowarez View Post

Thats what it was like for me did some research tried settings and i was up running at 4.8ghz with 1.29vcore. Now it feels like my board is on a endless rager and no setting will appease it. Iv tried the rog button on bak of the board ill try another usb2 port see if it makes a diferance.

If i'm not mistaken... The board is equipped with dual-bios, & I don't think both of them are flashed @ the same time. There is a little bios switch in the South east corner of the board between the fan headers and "ROG EXT"
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post #7019 of 15076
Tried that after I flashed main bios. Had all these issues I switched to 2nd bios booted up it updated 2nd bios didnt have a choise if I wanted to or not I-ROG 1-2 updated before I could test original bios.
post #7020 of 15076
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Originally Posted by Raja@ASUS View Post

This is probably a bit past your understanding but here goes:

You are forgetting that Vcore on its own means nothing - it the current the CPU draws with Vcore that matters. As there was a regulation and current sensing change, the Vcore needs adjustment to ensure the CPU gets the current it needs to be stable.


In other words these Vcore compares you are making are meaningless because the current ramping (hence error correction) of the VRM has changed.

Set the Vcore the CPU needs on 0602 and be happy. Stop worrying about the Vocre change smile.gif


Oh an BTW, maybe this will help put your finicky nature at rest - the Vcore current circuit is Shamino's idea smile.gif

Indeed, I did not really understand biggrin.gif

I see with 0602, to need more vcore to be stable (voltages taken multimeter)
I don't worry, I only noticed that with the 0602 it needs more vcore to be stable, there is not just me that has noticed and remains on the 403 or 507

At the moment, I stay with the 0507, which works very well with less vcore
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