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[vr-zone] Intel and Nvidia winners in last quarter according to Jon Peddie Research

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JPR says that the winners of the last quarter were Intel and Nvidia. Intel’s total shipments increased 3.5 percent from last quarter, pushing its market share up by 1.1 percent to 63 percent (note: integrated graphics), and Nvidia’s increased 2.3 percent pushing its market share up just slightly to 16.3 percent from 16.2 in the previous quarter.

AMD was the loser this quarter in GPU shipments with a 4.2 percent drop in quarter-over-quarter shipments and a 1.3 percent drop in market share. In desktop heterogeneous chip, a fancy word for APU, shipments AMD jumped 27.8 percent from last quarter. In notebooks it didn’t have the same luck, declining 21.3 percent.


Waiting to see AMD's next quarter.
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Title makes me think : Did anyone thought AMD would be winner ?
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The reason is everyone was holding out for R9 series, which was largely a disappointment.

R9-280X = rebrand. Other than ASUS R9-280X DirectCU with the 10mm heatpipe, most are inferior to HD7970 (including Gigabyte which has the same phases but cheapened with Low RDS(on) mosfets , Sapphire's lackluster rebranding of HD7000 series, and MSI's Twin Frozr IV which does not cool VRM for some reason?). Meanwhile, the R9-280X TOXIC is dangerously close to R9 290 pricing.

If they launched R9-270X with 4GB VRAM it would have a ~$20 value-add. As it is now the only one that is an actual improvement is the MSI HAWK R9 270X, since it has an excellent cooler but elpida memory (unlike the MSI R9-280X which doesn't cool VRM).

The R9 270 is ok (could be $160 though instead of $180 but that will drop over time), but the Elpida memory across the board partners, and voltage locking (due to cheap Onsemi voltage controller like Nvidia) is really disappointing. It has TDP going for it however. It feels like failed Firepro W7000s with 2GB VRAM & cheaper PCBs swapped in are used for Sapphire's R9 270s. Looks like Gigabyte added a stiffener for their Windforce 2X also but pretty much across the board it's ONE heatpipe frown.gif.

R7 260X literally only has TrueAudio going for it , at $140 it's overpriced. Other than that I don't see why anyone would buy it over a HD7790 or GTX 650 Ti Boost.

Even if they launched R9 280 rebrand HD7950, I don't see the situation changing unless board partners make better coolers or offer value-adds.

The biggest improvement as far as AMD partners is likely XFX , but I guess people were so disappointed from HD7000 series that there's not many reviews for the midrange (R9 280X: Anandtech , http://www.overclockers.com/amd-xfx-r9-280x-graphics-card-review?p=70521 , R9 270X mini review http://us.hardware.info/productinfo/201469/xfx-radeon-r9-270x-black-double-edition-2gb#tab:testresults).

We shall see how AMD fares once R9 290 aftermarket cooled cards come out.

Q4 2013 = R9 290 series aftermarket likely
Q1 2014 = Kaveri tentative launch , Firepro D300/500/700 for Mac Pro (launch Dec)?

@BigTree: Intel & Nvidia were mentioned so I don't know if those consoles even count?
Edited by AlphaC - 11/20/13 at 12:44pm
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What about the consoles chips?
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Title makes me think : Did anyone thought AMD would be winner ?

Not me - but I'm sure many are surprised to see AMD losing market share.
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Year to year measurement gives the overall trend view of AMD, Intel and Nvidia for shipments.

JPR reports states:

Year-to-year this quarter AMD’s overall PC shipments declined 8.5%, Intel dropped 2.7%, Nvidia declined 18.7%, and VIA fell 82.4% from last year.


In the coming weeks, the effects of AMD's R7/R9 and in December new APUs Kaveri will be shipping (with Beema and Mullins following). Everyone in industry will also be watching in December the roll out of Mantle and if significant acceleration potential proves true, then AMD will be heading positively into 2014.
Edited by ximage - 11/20/13 at 1:25pm
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The reason is everyone was holding out for R9 series, which was largely a disappointment.

R9-280X = rebrand. Other than ASUS R9-280X DirectCU with the 10mm heatpipe, most are inferior to HD7970 (including Gigabyte which has the same phases but cheapened with Low RDS(on) mosfets , Sapphire's lackluster rebranding of HD7000 series, and MSI's Twin Frozr IV which does not cool VRM for some reason?). Meanwhile, the R9-280X TOXIC is dangerously close to R9 290 pricing.

If they launched R9-270X with 4GB VRAM it would have a ~$20 value-add. As it is now the only one that is an actual improvement is the MSI HAWK R9 270X, since it has an excellent cooler but elpida memory (unlike the MSI R9-280X which doesn't cool VRM).

The R9 270 is ok (could be $160 though instead of $180 but that will drop over time), but the Elpida memory across the board partners, and voltage locking (due to cheap Onsemi voltage controller like Nvidia) is really disappointing. It has TDP going for it however. It feels like failed Firepro W7000s with 2GB VRAM & cheaper PCBs swapped in are used for Sapphire's R9 270s. Looks like Gigabyte added a stiffener for their Windforce 2X also but pretty much across the board it's ONE heatpipe frown.gif.

R7 260X literally only has TrueAudio going for it , at $140 it's overpriced. Other than that I don't see why anyone would buy it over a HD7790 or GTX 650 Ti Boost.

Even if they launched R9 280 rebrand HD7950, I don't see the situation changing unless board partners make better coolers or offer value-adds.

The biggest improvement as far as AMD partners is likely XFX , but I guess people were so disappointed from HD7000 series that there's not many reviews for the midrange (R9 280X: Anandtech , http://www.overclockers.com/amd-xfx-r9-280x-graphics-card-review?p=70521 , R9 270X mini review http://us.hardware.info/productinfo/201469/xfx-radeon-r9-270x-black-double-edition-2gb#tab:testresults).

We shall see how AMD fares once R9 290 aftermarket cooled cards come out.

Q4 2013 = R9 290 series aftermarket likely
Q1 2014 = Kaveri tentative launch , Firepro D300/500/700 for Mac Pro (launch Dec)?

@BigTree: Intel & Nvidia were mentioned so I don't know if those consoles even count?

 

Considering that the JP Research was including AMD's APU lineup (integrated graphics chips), there is a high chance that it included consoles. Especially since there is a rumor (not 100% sure) that at least Microsoft made a bulk deal with AMD, rather than a piecemeal arrangement. And the thing is that Nvidia is pretty much purely dGPU production, unlike AMD where APU production is a large business for them. Yeah, there is the stuff like Tegra, etc., but its pretty much small fries compared to dGPU with Nvidia.

 

I do agree with you though. AMD kinda cannibalized their entire rest of their lineup by pricing the 290 so low, making the other cards in their lineup decrease value-wise/$. Great for us consumers, not exactly so great for them.

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I respectfully disagree with your R9 290 comment: the R9 290 was not priced too low (everyone was expecting ~$450) , considering how horrifically crappy the cooler was. It's just that Nvidia and AMD's own older offerings (which are the same save for the cooler in some cases) perform the same or better for cheaper.

If anything GPUs are priced way too high given it is not a new process node and they are reusing chips.

Case in point: $150 GTX 650 Ti Boost 2GB vs R7-260X $140 , $200-220 aftermarket R9-270X vs ~$250 GTX 760, $200-230 HD7950 discounted dual fan cooled vs the entire R9 series rebrands , R7-260X vs $110-130 HD7850, R9-270 vs $150-170 HD7870 (except in situations where only 1 pci-e power connector can be used).

The R9 270 for sure is cheapened out, pretty much everyone uses Elpida memory on that model and a few of the manufacturers not just took away voltage control, but used cheaper onsemi PWM (no monitoring/control) like Nvidia does on their boards.

Gigabyte cheapened out the R9-280X, it's got the same cooler but with stock VRM phases sans DirectFETs (reference design HD7970 and R9 290 series use them).

MSI screwed up the R9-280X, the VRM overheats.

ASUS' R9 270X and R9-270 are louder than MSI/Sapphire, which is odd...

Those problems are off the top of my head.
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Man, you are just nitpicking. Performance improved. That's what everyone cares about. By next year, the whole lineup should be in good shape.
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