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Well, it looks like I'll be needing a new receiver for my HTPC setup in the living room (My Onkyo HT-RC360 just took a crap - HDMI out is done for).

I'm looking for a step up (audio quality-wise) from my last device. It will need to accommodate a minimum of 7.1 however, I would like to also bi-amplify my front left and right so effectively 9.1 active channels with settings for bi-amplification (I will forgo this if budget can't be met).

125w and up per channel would be nice but nothing less than say 110w.

I want network functionality (the useful type) - I found the network features of my last Onkyo lacking.

I like the Yamaha RX-A2020 but I see I can't bi-amplify (as far as I can tell) even though it's a 9.2 channel receiver (fyi: only using one sub so I don't need the second sub channel - if I do ever add another, I'll just take the -3db hit and split the line to the second sub).

Budget is absolute max of $1000 - I obviously wouldn't mind spending less.

Speakers are in my sig: Polk CS2 up front along with a pair of Polk Monitor 70's, then Polk Monitor 40's on the side with Polk Monitor 60's in the rear (I may swap the 40's and 60's but that is irrelevant) Subwoofer is a SuperCube 2000.

The room is concrete floor and walls - floor is carpeted and walls are styrofoam insulated with sheet-rock finish.

Room dimensions are approximately 25 feet by 30 feet.

If you need any other details, let me know and thanks in advance for the help.
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OK, about to pull the trigger on the Yamaha. Any last minute words of wisdom?
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Uh man no no.

Don't go with the passive audio system man. If you like muddy / flat sound then be my guest.

If at all possible, start your audio system project from ground up, with active system. Get a descent $85 sound card for the PC. Get self-amplified speakers like Focal CMS line, Adam A5/A7 series, Genelec 8030/8040, or something in that class of monitors. You can get more naked sound with greater dynamic contrast.

You can then PM for power cable upgrade but we can get to that later. Right now what's important is getting the right audio equipment as a starting point.


cheez
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Yamaha is OK but you will have to toy with the subwoofer settings to get much out of it. DO NOT rely on YPAO as it is quite lacking in the auto calibration.

Otherwise they are solid, I have had mine for 5+ years now and have had no other issues with it.

I dont know about the older ones but the On-Screen Setup sucks on mine(Yamaha) but the Onkyo's have great on screen setup.

The only other option I would recommend is to look at Pioneer and Anthem. The Anthems have pretty much best room correction but you will pay more for them.

Pioneer use B&O Ice amps that can put out lots of power
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Originally Posted by CheezCake View Post

Uh man no no.

Don't go with the passive audio system man. If you like muddy / flat sound then be my guest.

If at all possible, start your audio system project from ground up, with active system. Get a descent $85 sound card for the PC. Get self-amplified speakers like Focal CMS line, Adam A5/A7 series, Genelec 8030/8040, or something in that class of monitors. You can get more naked sound with greater dynamic contrast.

You can then PM for power cable upgrade but we can get to that later. Right now what's important is getting the right audio equipment as a starting point.


cheez

Umm, I think you missed my first post. I already have a setup but need to replace the receiver. Although the powered speakers you've posted are quite nice (I don't really discriminate against how a speaker is powered), I quite enjoy the system in my home theater and it is anything but flat and muddy.
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Yamaha is OK but you will have to toy with the subwoofer settings to get much out of it. DO NOT rely on YPAO as it is quite lacking in the auto calibration.

Otherwise they are solid, I have had mine for 5+ years now and have had no other issues with it.

I dont know about the older ones but the On-Screen Setup sucks on mine(Yamaha) but the Onkyo's have great on screen setup.

The only other option I would recommend is to look at Pioneer and Anthem. The Anthems have pretty much best room correction but you will pay more for them.

Pioneer use B&O Ice amps that can put out lots of power


Thanks for the heads-up. I went ahead and pulled the trigger on the A2020 - it should be here tomorrow. I've read that the new iteration of YPAO actually works pretty well but I'm sure I'll make some adjustments. I understand that this time around YPAO eq's the sub down to 30Hz - what did you have to do in order to get the sub to sound right?
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To get the sub to sound it's best you are going to need to go into the unit and do the manual speaker setup. Increase the volume on the subwoofer and then adjust the gain in the plate amp to actually get some bass. Do no auto calibrate after you adjust the subwoofer gain. This will take you some time to dial in just right but when you do you will be much happier.

Basically you are tuning your bass on your subwoofer and not using the receiver for it. Like I said, it is very time consuming but when you get it right you will be very happy.

Light on the bass I have heard described as the "Japanese Sound" because they dont like it to rumble much apparently. I dont really get this explanation because so many of the good electronics come from over there for home audio.

30hz is pretty good for movies but if you really want to get a good experience you can go down much lower but that requires some big amps and big subs.
post #7 of 7
The Yamaha's are good and definitely provide good power, especially for transients as the amplifier is beefy but it won't provide big continuous numbers as Yamaha's internal circuitry limits continuous power output to around 60 watts a channel. If you wanted something that plays loud in party mode, a Pioneer Class-D amp would have probably sufficed better, but for movies the Yamaha should be just as good.
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