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I have a budget gaming/school/autocad/solid works/media PC. My PC has replaced everything in my livingroom, I use it for everything from gaming now to watching movies and shows with the kids. I have 5 kids and no money but do want to upgrade my system slowly. So I have a few questions for you.

I have a AMD fx-8350 cpu, asus m5 a97 "le" r2.0, xfx dd hd 7870, corsair 55, Seagate 1 tb hhd x2, corsair xms 8gb ram, rosewill stallion 700w psu, inside a rosewill redbone case. All costed about $600 after windows, parts, keyboard/mouse, just everything said and done was about $600.

As far as my thoughts on upgrading components:
-case - its far to small, wont fit a decent radiator, its just far to limited
-mobo - its a le, 4 pin power, no vr cooling
-hhd - no ssd yet, and I have them in laptop and know theyre blazing fast
-gpu - its a mid-low end graphics, plays my games now but for how long

So 2 part question for you guys:
1) As far as saving and upgrading, which would make the most sense and in what order, as far as spending money and getting something from it. this build has been the best budget/performance I could find and got pretty much everything on a newegg combo for $500 after MIR. Not the parts I would've picked, but at a price point I couldn't even come close to.

2)I'm leaning towards mobo first and probably a sabertooth unless you guys can recommend a good mobo for overclocking that runs cheaper. I plan to OC and try and hit 5GHZ, will be getting custom liquid cooler eventually and don't plan to upgrade mobo 'again' after this.

But I also see hd 7870's going for $130 now down from $200, and realize theyre being phased out, so should I try and save quick and buy a 2nd gpu to sli while I can still get the card and cheap? or should I just wait for games to become unplayable on mine and then just get the best I can afford then? Mine now plays COD ghosts just fine on max, but for how long?

So if you guys could please just give me some input on what next steps to do, and keep in mind I wont be going out tonight and making any purchases, but would like to know which you think should be upgraded first, and/or what your other thoughts and opinions for me and my setup in general are.
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Here are 3 cheaper, viable alternatives to the somewhat expensive Sabertooth. They all are capable overclockers and should provide you with the performance you're looking to get out of your 8350. As for Hitting 5ghz... you may need to stick with Sabertooth. I'll let someone else comment.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813128514
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813130649
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813131851

As for what to upgrade first, my first instinct is motherboard, but what you need to know is wether or not your mobo is bottlenecking your video card. Once you know that the decisioin on which way to go should be clear.
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I agree that the motherboard should come first, then CPU cooling/case. GPU can be a target of opportunity thing.

I have personal experience with 2 of the motherboards listed so................

The Gigabyte 990FXA UD3 runs hot and has a bad bios. Burn baby burn,

The MSI 990FXA GD80 runs cool and has an easy to use bios. Cool man cool. But the GD80 does not have LLC.

I would guess that the ASUS is somewhere between those two. This is important for watercooling because there is reduced air flow to the motherboard, making it run hotter. That is why you see people adding 1-3 fans to cool their motherboard.
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Thanks guys, yea I'm leaning towards mobo, not just for overclocking, but just in general other than ssd its going to be the first and biggest noticeable difference. I'm probably leaning towards the pro version of my mobo, gibabyte not a fan of, msi can be had for just under the sabortooth so id just go sabortooth. But the pro from what I understand is a good board and I guess will do what I want for $120's with the next jump being $180 for sabortooth so I guess for that $200 spent would be pro and a Samsung evo ssd for $100.

As far as cooling goes, yes I realize going liquid helps cpu hurts mobo, which is why I also want to get a better case. But as mine sits now I have 2 120mm fans as intakes on the side panel blowing right on mobo which never goes above 30 degrees celcius 'while gaming' and idle temp is around 15-20 celcius. I realize once I start to OC the temps will go up which is why again the want/need for a better case.

But my thinking was mobo, case, ssd, graphics, psu, liquid custom.
and since just buying a case isn't going to help me very much, it is required first before liquid custom cooling, which id like before I really start to OC high numbers, which requires a mobo. Mobo now could help me OC a bit, an ssd really only helps booting which is around 20 second now. 2nd or better gpu will require a case first, as well as a better psu, and if I go one big bad gpu, id like custom liquid cooling first.

So I was thinking biggest best upgrade mobo, ssd, case. Then probably custom liquid, followed by a psu and eventually graphics. Sound ok?

As far as mobo, probably going pro version of mine, gase will probably be corsair 300r cooler master haf 912. or another simple sound dampening good cooling case for around $100, ssd will be Samsung 840 pro/evo 128gb, liquid custom I know nothing about but a good 6 months at least away. And I'm guessing GPU by the 6-12 month mark will have changed so ill worry then?

Thoughts, opinions?
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I would put this as my upgrade path:

PSU > Mobo > Case > Video Card > SSD > Custom Loop.

If you dont have confidence in your PSU, get rid of it before it smokes your shiny new equipment.
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I would put this as my upgrade path:

PSU > Mobo > Case > Video Card > SSD > Custom Loop.

If you dont have confidence in your PSU, get rid of it before it smokes your shiny new equipment.

ya that psu is a little scary looking,,its not on the recommended power supply list either,,,maybe SHILKA will drop by with his opinion
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