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I just read that G.Skill and other memory companies are overclocking 1333 to higher speeds and selling as higher speeds, and if you want better stability you have to know what to get.... how do I find that out? Who makes good 1600 and 1866 which chips actually rated for those speeds? And do they need support or can you just stick them on any mobo? I don't really know that much about ram. I mean yeah I know the basics.. but thats about it. And because of ADD I just forget everything I learn unless I use it everyday. frown.gif
Edited by Drahadis - 11/26/13 at 12:02am
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Almost every generation of GPUs tends to include re-hashes of prior generation GPUs sold with new names, maybe different clock speeds if the binning is getting better. Some generation launches are worse offenders than others, but rest assure a new GPU generation does not "displace" and entire previous generation with an entirely new performance class. This is not new. And it is why I suggested the HD7870. Anything more expensive than this will return no meaningful improvement in performance for CS6, and the "200" series equivalent of this card costs like $70 more IIRC.

The issue regarding RAM is vastly complex. What we are seeing in the RAM market with the sudden "flood" of high speed memory at "normal" prices, is the result of a large number of market forces. One of which is that AMD is now supporting up to 2133 DDR3 speeds as "standard." (not an overclocked setting)
A LOT of DDR3 chips produced since production started ~4 years ago have been capable of error free operation at speeds higher than they were sold at. Some brands had great yields of high quality chips, but couldn't afford to sit on that high yield and wait for them to sell as premium grade stuff, so a lot of could-a-been premium grade overclocking chips were thrown at every market segment just to move volume, sold as 1066, 1333, 1600, and all sorts of speeds/timings/voltages in order to maximize sales!!! As an example... Look at the ole Samsung "green" DDR3, They packaged them as low voltage 1600-11-11-11 speed chips in order to move product. When run at 1.5V or so, they could achieve just about any speed/timing that a memory controller in their day could handle. They had high yields of high quality chips, at a time when the mainstream (most popular selling) RAM speed was 1600MT/s. Does that mean they were 1600MT/s chips? If someone sells you the same ICs on a DIMM today as a 1.5V 2133-11-11-11 instead, does that mean that they "overclocked" it? If the product passes binning at that speed/timing/voltage, then it can be sold as that speed/timing/voltage. Just because a chip is sold as something slower, does not "lock" some sort of "base frequency" into play. The "sold-at" speed does not define the IC.

For YOUR intents and purposes, if it is sold as a particular speed/timing/voltage from a mainstream, reputable brand, you can probably count on it being able to run at that speed/timing/voltage without a problem provided the memory controller can. Every DDR3 chip I have owned, with the exception of some junk from PNY, had some stable, error free headroom above the "sold-at" speed and/or below the "sold-at" timing/voltage.
     
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CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
FX-8350 990X EVO R2.0 Sparkle GTX460 768MB ballistix tactical 2 x 8GB 
Hard DriveHard DriveOptical DriveCooling
Toshiiba THNSNH 256GB Enterprise RE3 1TB Asus BD combo drive Artic A30 
OSMonitorMonitorMonitor
Manjaro Linux Samsung 21.5" LCD E2009WFP E2009WFP 
PowerCase
Seasonic G 550W Modular Fractal Design Core 3500 
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
FX-6300, 4.7 GHZ@1.43V GA-970A-UD3P GTX 460 768MB Mixed DIMMs. 2x4GB + 2x8GB @ 1600-8-8-8 
Hard DriveHard DriveHard DriveHard Drive
Toshiba THNSNH 19nm 256GB 1TB Spinpoint F3 WD RE3 1TB WD RE3 1TB 
Optical DriveCoolingOSOS
yes CM Seidon 120V SolydK OpenSuse 13.1 
OSOSMonitorMonitor
Linux Mint 9-32 bit // Linux Mint 17-64 bit  Manjaro Xfce Samsung 21.5" HannsG 21.5" sideways! 
KeyboardPowerCaseMouse
Sticky ATNG Rosewill Green 630W NZXT Gamma Basic Microsoft corded 
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
A10-6800k 4.8GHZ @ 1.375V, 1.2GHZ iGPU Gigabyte GA-F2A85XN-WIFI HD8670D Ripjaws 
Hard DriveOptical DriveCoolingOS
Seagate ST1000DM003 Asus BC-12B1ST/BLK/B/AS Zalman CNPS5X Linux Mint 15 
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What the hell, you guys are not going to believe this...

http://www.overclock.net/t/1446790/new-egg-charging-me-for-a-gift

Nothing like this has ever happened to me with NewEgg before.

Their chat service is STILL not responding, and their phones are closed because of the time of day.

BTW, that memory went on a big sale and they ran out before I could get any. $109! I jumped on another sale on the A-Data for a few dollars more and got that instead. Same thing basically, all the same stats and values. biggrin.gif We ended up saving at least several hundred plus gift cards because of the Black Friday sales. biggrin.gif

When the house's electrics are fixed and this system is built, I'll start figuring out a build for my personal PC.
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