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I prefer having disc based copies simply because it gives me resale value. With the PS4 I lost out on $400 in digital games. Not making that mistake again.

Anyway, for the Wolfenstein issue, it appears to be common and even exchanging the disc isn't garunteed to fix it. Supposedly what I need to do is disconnect from the internet, hard reset the system, and pray to all things holy that it works...and even that can take several tries.

Edit: Somehow found a way to get it to download off the store and then just put the disc in to verify I own it. Don't know what I did but if it works, it works.
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Originally Posted by Rndomuser View Post

You're wrong, of course. If your optical drive is broken - you can't play any disk-based game. Doesn't matter if you have internet or do not have it. If you lose your game disk - you permanently lose the legal right to play this copy of the game (unless you already transferred the disk license to a digital copy license). If you break/damage the disk - same thing (unless you get very, VERY lucky trying to convince your game store that "the disk arrived that way"). There's 0 reliability about using disks, provided you live in civilized society with proper broadband access. And if extra couple of $$$ from reselling the game really matter to you - maybe you should find a better job or (if you're unable to work due to disability) save on something else or don't waste your money on games in first place wink.gif They are not an "investment", they are just a temporary, disposable source of entertainment.

Ive been gaming for over 10 years, never lost a game, never had a game get scratched up. I have however lost about $700 worth of games going from xbox 360 to xbox one. If i hadnt bought digital copies of those games i prob could have sold them for $150-200.

Now about disk drives dying, never had that happen either, out of all my friends and family, none have had that happen either. 0 reliability with disks? With 99% of isp's creating caps disks are a smarter idea then downloading.

Lastly, im sorry but your post rubbed me the wrong way, your holier then thou approach about jobs is stuck up. To assume that someone makes less than you.is not only pompous but asinine.
post #634 of 1786
I prefer having a disc as well. Plus I can buy the cheaper 2nd hand, can't do that with a digital copy. Another thing that bugs me massively with digital games now is the price, when they advertised digital over physical the said it would be cheaper because of no shipping, packaging cost etc. BUT THEY LIED! Average of £50 for a download is ridiculous, how can they justify having the same price as a physical version? When it costs them less to supply.
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that is one reason i like steam and will buy digital for pc, besides the whole where else can i get it, i feel most prices drop rapidly
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that is one reason i like steam and will buy digital for pc, besides the whole where else can i get it, i feel most prices drop rapidly

Yeah i use steam for PC because most prices are reasonable or i wait for a huge steam sale. But Xbox live prices are absolutly ridiculous! I have started using G2A.com and CDKeys.com as you can get genuine game codes from there pretty cheap (even Windows 8 for £35 atm)
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Got Wolfenstein installed by downloading it from the store like I had mentioned. Also caved and bought Shadow of Mordor digitally because I couldn't be bothered to go to the store. Pretty fun game, even for someone who has never seen/read LotR.
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There's 0 reliability about using disks, provided you live in civilized society with proper broadband access.

That's an overstatement, of course; even though I know what you meant to say, even if others here did not (that discs provide no additional reliability compared to digital). The reality is that each format has its different pros and cons. In addition to resale, discs offer (or at least they should offer) a smaller mandatory install than a disc, which is a boon for people with large game collections (a 500GB drive is not that much when a digital game consumes 25GB!) But the transportability of digital is an obvious benefit that discs cannot replicate (broken disc = game over).
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And if extra couple of $$$ from reselling the game really matter to you - maybe you should find a better job or (if you're unable to work due to disability) save on something else or don't waste your money on games in first place wink.gif They are not an "investment", they are just a temporary, disposable source of entertainment.

Telling someone to "get a better job" is a sure path to having your arguments ignored. You may as well have called him a Nazi, a lot of people probably started thinking you were an idiot the moment you said that.

But the true nugget if wisdom here is that, as much as the game devs bemoan this argument, paying full price for most new games at release is just stupid. That's why they hype their games up so much, to make you think that if you aren't playing on day one you're just missing out on the Event of the Year. Pssh. That game will be the same game in a year, when it will be half price on Steam. And it will still be the same in two years, when it will be under $10 in the Summer Sale. People on a budget just need to tune out the advertising hype and go buy games that are a bit older but still fantastic.

(Naturally, the exception here is multiplayer FPS. Unfortunately the communities are fickle, and there may be few to no players in two years. I would still advocate avoiding day one hype and waiting for the first sale price, but you probably need to jump on within the first year to get full enjoyment out of this genre.)
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i prefer hard copies, what happens if xbl ever dies ( talking far future not near ) as a collector,

Hopefully the publisher migrates them to another platform, like when Bioshock 2 and the Arkham series went over to Steam when GFWL was shut down.
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i like to hold it in my hand and put it on my shelf

I used to be like you, but I got over it. That really is "old man" sentiment (and I am an old man for the record, so that's not meant as a slight). Do you *have* to hold a DVD in your hand, or are you content to watch Netflix? Do you *have* to hold a paper book, or do you use an e-reader? It's all the same thing...eventually you will catch up on the gaming thing, I suspect.
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Ive been gaming for over 10 years, never lost a game, never had a game get scratched up. I have however lost about $700 worth of games going from xbox 360 to xbox one. If i hadnt bought digital copies of those games i prob could have sold them for $150-200.

Never? Luckiest gamer on earth, I wager. I've been gaming for 34 years...it happens. I've had cartridges, floppy disks, and optical discs all get damaged or fail for other non-obvious reasons. Of course it's not common, I'm not implying that...but it's going to happen sooner or later!

I guess I should also clarify that I don't like to buy digital console games myself, for the storage reasons I mentioned before and for the resale reasons you specify. Eventually I will sell the console, and having the games with it will increase the resale. I do buy digital DLC however, and I use my Bing search points on XBL $3 credits that I apply towards games (but I don't consider that spending money really). But on PC, I am exclusively digital now...I buy them on sale from Steam, as mentioned. And even if I bought new, the resale value of a PC game plummets so fast because of Steam that there is little reason to keep that physical copy.
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Now about disk drives dying, never had that happen either, out of all my friends and family, none have had that happen either. 0 reliability with disks?

You've never had a drive die on you? You really are the luckiest person on earth.
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With 99% of isp's creating caps disks are a smarter idea then downloading.

I still don't have a cap through Time Warner, but reality is that an occasional game download is not going to impact your cap as much as streaming media will.
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Another thing that bugs me massively with digital games now is the price, when they advertised digital over physical the said it would be cheaper because of no shipping, packaging cost etc. BUT THEY LIED! Average of £50 for a download is ridiculous, how can they justify having the same price as a physical version? When it costs them less to supply.

This is very true, we were "promised" lower prices. But it doesn't (and didn't) take a business genius to smell out the lie, or to understand why: the brick and mortar retailers would cry foul for being unfair competition, it would "put them out of business". Fair or not, the distributors need their retail channel, so they can't alienate them; plus they get to keep the higher margins of the digital download. In short, prices never come down just because of an efficiency; efficiencies always lead to higher margins. Prices only come down as a result of competitive pressure or a devaluation of the product, neither of which is created via digital downloads.
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Vulcan, If I could give you rep I would. All your responses in that post were we'll said and thought out. thumb.gif
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Brilliant comments Vulcan, have to say agree with all that and couldnt say it any better. The only reason I have/had physical copies for Xbox1 is simply I didnt always have great internet, and the 4g dongle could be unreliable at times. But now I use the store on a regular basis online, and steam sales.... two words.... bloody fantastic!
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