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That is not what the rules address...it isn't what current retailers are selling an item for...it is what YOU paid for it, so if you bought it for $200 and it runs 5.3GHz at 1.20v and temps below 45 degrees Celcius...guess what...if you want to sell it on OCN you are limited to a sales price of $200, even if the Egg is selling them for $320.

http://www.thefreedictionary.com/price+gouging

There is an error in that second quoted statement of yours that I quoted...and that is simply that no one is going to be "gouged". If a Seller asks more for a CPU (or any other item), than what a buyer can buy it for elsewhere, it simply won't sell at that price. The Buyer does not have to buy it because he has alternatives, therefore the use of the term "gouging" is inappropriate and not at all consistent with the meaning of the word.

The definition of market value is simply what a willing Buyer will pay and what a willing Seller will take for an item...without any type of duress on either party (no gun to your head).

...so just what the heck is an artificial "no profit" policy except a "gun to the head of a Seller".

What is the solution for the Seller? List it elsewhere where that artificial cap doesn't exist.

So, as I've stated before, who loses out on the opportunity to buy a golden chip? The buying members of OCN, that is who loses. If that rule is enforced, then the Seller won't sell it here, simple as that.

All because of a rule, that while the intent may have been good, in actuality misguided and hurts both buyers and sellers and does nothing to promote fair trade among the members of OCN.


I agree completely, I purchased an asrock z87 extreme 6 at only like 74$ due to an amazon price error, The board was atleast 200$ new. I would have passed along a 50-75$ savings to a fellow ocn member while still making a profit but these asinine rules prevented me from doing so. So I sold it on craigslist for $150 cash.

I also fully expect for my comment to be deleted because that is what the mods on this website do when they don't agree with anything.
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The only reason this thread will go away, is because it has become off topic pretty much, it is no longer an appraisal. But a discussion about the rule of "no profit".. Thread should be moved not deleted smile.gif
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Seeing how microcenter is a good 4 hour drive each way so $50 in gas, id be willing to pay around $250 for the open units, and maybe $280 for a sealed unit. I bought my 4770k and got a $20 giftcard for 309.
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With all due respects to those that created the rules limiting the selling price to your cost, they seem a little silly and misguided to me.

If a guy buys 20 CPUs and bins them and there are three out of the group that are stellar / golden, then they are clearly worth more than what was paid for them, whether they were bought at a discount, or at full retail...and in addition, there are usually a handful of guys that are willing to pay a premium for a golden chip, as opposed to having to go out and buy a bunch to bin on their own...with no assurances that they will even get a golden one after all their binning efforts.

What the OCN rules dictate is that the member with the golden chips can't sell them at market value to the members that are willing to pay market value for them. This hurts buying members as much as the sellers.

That means that there shouldn't be a single stick of Samsung "Wonder Ram" sold on these forums for more than around $50 for a 2x4GB kit, as that would have been the high price when they were available...also, in general, anyone that bought ram last fall can't sell a 2x4GB kit of DDR3-1600 for more than $30-40, however, if you bought your kit within the last few months it is OK to sell the same ram kit for $75.

Under those restrictions there technically shouldn't be a single golden item sold here if the Selller is going to ask more than the purchase price...guess how many listings your going to find available if you try to enforce those rules...that would be a big ZERO and by the way, based on prior listings that I have seen, those rules are not uniformly enforced so I really don't understand why they are such a big part of this thread.

Do any of those situations really make sense? Market price is market price and what you paid for the item really should have no bearing on what it sells for. That's traveling down a slippery slope in my opinion and you are not only hurting the Seller, but I maintain that you are also hurting the members here that are looking to buy quality hardware. If you enforce a rule like this you will force members with proven, quality parts to look elsewhere when selling...and denying the other OCN members the opportunity to buy them in the Marketplace.

Bottom line is that while I understand the logic behind not wanting resellers listing their goods in the Marketplace, as it is intended as a place for members to buy and sell, I believe that to limit what a person can list an item for, solely based on what they paid for it, is counter intuitive. Let the Buyer decide what he is willing to pay, as opposed to a Mod deciding what the Seller is able to ask for that item.

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OP, my suggestion, don't waste your time with the chips here if you would like to sell the binned ones. There are plenty of other forums, like hardforum, that allow you to do this. It is really just a hassle to sell items on OCN as of now. Go bin them I say!

But if you are selling them here, you aren't going to be allowed to sell them for more than you purchased them for. Then on top of that you have to send the Admins your receipts, purchase information, where you purchased them from, when, etc, etc, etc... Have fun with that thumb.gif

Appraisal for here would be no more than is the cost on the receipt, then you have to consider you can only sell so many BNIB/LNIB items. So minus 10-20$ for each opened. Lol, convoluted is it not? tongue.gif

Can these get a sticky just cause? It has become MUCH more of a hassle than a benefit of being able to buy and sell with this community as of late #InBeforeThisGetsErased
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