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$21.... Find her a great USB3 thumb drive.
And find an OTC cable or reader for her phone/tablet/camera. It will blow her mind. Being able to DL, edit and transfer files on the phone is great.
 
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$21.... Find her a great USB3 thumb drive.
And find an OTC cable or reader for her phone/tablet/camera. It will blow her mind. Being able to DL, edit and transfer files on the phone is great.

Which of the two system build from newegg and amazon prime you think is better?
   
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Egg does it for me. If only because I don't like the 7770. Is there not an R card that is the same as the 7770? The R-260 replacing the HD 7770 Series. What is its price? Go for that instead if you have the choice.

I like the 7850 enough that I bought one for myself, just before they price dropped due to the R cards frown.gif I shoulda waited a few weeks. But, the 7950 is a better lite coin miner tongue.gif
 
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Egg does it for me. If only because I don't like the 7770. Is there not an R card that is the same as the 7770? The R-260 replacing the HD 7770 Series. What is its price? Go for that instead if you have the choice.

I like the 7850 enough that I bought one for myself, just before they price dropped due to the R cards frown.gif I shoulda waited a few weeks. But, the 7950 is a better lite coin miner tongue.gif

R-260? what you mean sorry not to sure. =/ are you talking NVIDIA?

I found ASUS 1GB GDDR5 Graphics Card with NVIDIA Surround Technology GTX650TI-O-1GD5 that would replace that one for $138.99
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$300 (R9 280X aka 7970), $200 (R9 270X, aka Radeon 7870), and $140 (R7 260X, aka Radeon 7790).
Those are launch prices. But you can look if an R something card is worth it for her.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814150688
Like ^ that.
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Intel E5 build:

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CPU: E5-1620 V2 ($294.99 @ SuperBiiz)
Intel IPC for best possible photoshop performance. Hyperthreading for good performance in parallel workloads (video editing). Quad channel memory controller supports up to 64GB nonECC memory on this motherboard.... (note: dual channel systems only support up to 32GB from what I have managed to figure). Upgrade to: http://www.superbiiz.com/detail.php?name=E5-1650V2 if video editing becomes a more dominant use.

Motherboard: Asus P9X79 LE ATX LGA2011 Motherboard ($224.99 @ Amazon)

Memory: G.Skill Ripjaws X Series 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR3-1333 Memory ($104.99 @ Newegg)
Cheapest 2x8GB kit to start with. Add another 2x8GB kit as the business grows. Then another, and another if needed. Speed doesn't matter at all for this build, especially on the quad channel system.

Storage: A-Data Premier Pro SP900 256GB 2.5" Solid State Disk ($159.99 @ Newegg)
I don't see a reason for an internal mechy drive if the client is planning on a separate RAID storage system. However, I would suggest communicating with the client about moving that system inside the computer case for to reduce costs, save desk space, and/or improve performance.

Video Card: PowerColor Radeon HD 7750 1GB Video Card ($54.99 @ Newegg)
Anything more and you'll hit a performance "wall" in photoshop. This is a good cheap starting point for maximum photoshop performance that can certainly help get feet wet in video editing. This can be upgraded if the demands of the system change.

Case: Corsair 200R ATX Mid Tower Case ($29.99 @ Newegg)
Power Supply: Rosewill Capstone 550W 80+ Gold Certified ATX Power Supply ($49.99 @ Newegg)
Operating System: Microsoft Windows 7 Professional SP1 (OEM) (64-bit) ($138.98 @ Amazon)
Monitor: Asus VE247H 23.6" Monitor ($109.99 @ Newegg)
Monitor: Asus VE247H 23.6" Monitor ($109.99 @ Newegg)

Total: $1278.89
(Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available.)
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Intel E3 build:

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CPU: Intel Xeon E3-1245 V3 3.4GHz Quad-Core Processor ($289.99 @ Newegg)
The 4000 series integrated GPU is to be used for photoshop. The 4000 series is very competent in photoshop OpenCL demands, and actually comes reasonably close to hitting that performance "wall" that can not be exceeded without further improvements on the CPU side performance. Add a discrete GPU at a later date to this build if the client begins doing much more video editing work, or wants to bump up photo manipulation performance another notch. GPU type to be determined at that time for best value.

Motherboard: Gigabyte GA-B85M-D3H Micro ATX LGA1150 Motherboard ($75.24 @ Amazon)
Figured I'd take this build idea to a compact area, where the main storage gets moved outside the case (as originally mentioned).... Thus, microATX

Memory: Crucial Ballistix Sport 8GB (1 x 8GB) DDR3-1600 Memory ($59.99 @ Newegg)
Memory: Crucial Ballistix Sport 8GB (1 x 8GB) DDR3-1600 Memory ($59.99 @ Newegg)
Memory: Crucial Ballistix Sport 8GB (1 x 8GB) DDR3-1600 Memory ($59.99 @ Newegg)
Memory: Crucial Ballistix Sport 8GB (1 x 8GB) DDR3-1600 Memory ($59.99 @ Newegg)
Storage: A-Data Premier Pro SP900 256GB 2.5" Solid State Disk ($159.99 @ Newegg)

Case: Silverstone SST-SG02B-F-USB3.0 (Black) MicroATX Desktop Case ($62.98 @ Newegg)
Compact, could probably comfortably set an external RAID system on top of this case.

Power Supply: Rosewill Capstone 550W 80+ Gold Certified ATX Power Supply ($49.99 @ Newegg)
Operating System: Microsoft Windows 7 Professional SP1 (OEM) (64-bit) ($138.98 @ Amazon)
Monitor: Asus VE247H 23.6" Monitor ($109.99 @ Newegg)
Monitor: Asus VE247H 23.6" Monitor ($109.99 @ Newegg)
Total: $1237.11
(Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available.)
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Remember I said "unless you can get an i7 smile.gif

That Xeon is an interesting chip and lets you pop an i7 in if you want later. Very good choice.
@mdocod Why not this:
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And remember, he will need a CPU cooler with both smile.gif


mdocod took all the $ spent on the video card and gave you better CPU and Ram controlling ability.
I agree, putting a raid 10 with 5 or so HDD would be a better choice and cheaper than a NAS, unless the nas is for portable storage ability. If it is just going to sit, why not make it internal?

But the 7750... "Anything more and you'll hit a performance "wall" in photoshop. " I don't know what that means smile.gif
 
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Yea that Xeon setup looks very interesting and one that can be upgraded as business grow with more ram etc... I am messing around with a APU setup but honestly I think APU setup might be to low and limited to grow later on vs going FX or i7. If I just focus only in a Photoshop build, I know you guys say Storage and Ram is the big thing for a Photoshop machine with Lightroom. Do you guys recommend putting more effort on storage, ram 16GB starting and a bigger monitor instead? If so, the ram speed does it really matter or do I need to match internal clock to the FX with 1866 or with Intel?

hmmm so many different direction I wish I can choose the best option for her. LOL! I will need to rest and continue this tomorrow. thumb.gif Thanks guys for all your help. Much appreciated.

So I just needed to put that Xeon together here but I am not to convince with Xeon chips over i7 one for some reason. I guess owning one before for AutoCAD turn out not as fast as I would had wanted. Then again that was several years ago.

XeonBuild001.pdf 158k .pdf file

Since I can't sleep thinking about this system I decided to make one more build before I sleep. I am thinking of dropping the graphic card much lower what you guys think?

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But the 7750... "Anything more and you'll hit a performance "wall" in photoshop. " I don't know what that means smile.gif

There is a point at which photoshop simply does not take advantage of any more GPU power. The coding used for the openCL/openGL implementation, is likely not coded very well for ultra-parallelism and winds up bottle-necking on an IO or compute related function that should have been dealt with in different block sizes or something like that. I really don't know the finer details of how that works, but when we see poor performance scaling in parallel computing it is often a result of less than ideal programming methods. There are a number of long "best practices" documents out there for coding parallel compute work (openCL/CUDA) that cover some of the glaring issues that can cause these "walls" to be hit, and ways to work around them. I don't know if version CC has made any progress to improve on this or not. I have seen this sort of performance "wall" emerge in pretty much every CS6 benchmark I have ever seen. The trend points to an unfortunate reality that openCL accelerated tasks, while running parallel on the GPU, are bound by a poorly threaded operation on the CPU side.

http://www.pugetsystems.com/labs/articles/Adobe-Photoshop-CS6-GPU-Acceleration-161/

In the above benchmarks, Every card from about the HD7750 and GTX650 class and up, have hit that "wall." There is nothing left to give on the GPU side unless a bottleneck somewhere else is removed. As you can see, the HD4XXX is not "far" from that wall in most tests. The position of that gpu accelerated wall almost always seems to coincide with single core CPU performance. If this were an A10-6800k or i3-4330, the "position" of that wall would be different. In fact, the little APU's and i3's are well balanced for Photoshop right out of the box (no discrete GPU!) because of this "wall" effect. They have enough on-chip GPU that there is no reason to invest in more for photoshop. They will run nearly every openCL/openGL accelerated feature in photoshop at or near their own "wall" [bottleneck] set by the CPU performance. (Either would be a very elegant solution, albeit, in a lower performance and PRICE bracket than the Xeon/i7 class stuff)

See: http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/core-i7-4770k-haswell-review,3521-13.html

The above benchmark, is performed with a GTX Titan at the helm (WAY WAY beyond the wall)... Notice the scaling of openCL performance trends right down the line with single/lightly threaded performance of the chips in the group, with the AMD chips pulling up the rear and the older sandy E filling the middle lead by late generation haswell. And of course, in usual TomsHardware fashion, they are oblivious to the most interesting part of that benchmark in the comments following. Not a WORD about performance scaling of the openCL and how it seems to be bottlenecked something highly sensitive to per-core performance. I swear these review sites are sometimes sitting on a goldmine of information with the tests they run, and totally waste it on an interpretation of the results that is always a C- at best.

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Sorry ITAngel, I don't like that Xeon build. LGA 2011 just handles the RAM so much better. And can take more ram. That, and 2166 ram is probably what you want now. Funny how fast that changed, even 3 months ago I would have said 1600 was fine.

Take a a look at what mdocod said again. His was very upgradable. And I had not know that about photoshop. I know for video CUDA is king. That is why the 7850 is a bit better than the 7950 for video and you will pay 10x the price for a workstation card. But! These gains are very dependent on the programs you are using.

That, and anytime you can use a Fractal case you should smile.gif
 
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Team XS3 SSD Got one Noctua u140 Have one too. Win7 for now 
MonitorKeyboardPowerCase
Acer p234w Mechanical Today its a Fractal Fractal Arc XL 
MouseMouse PadAudioOther
1 or 2 of them Cherry Some speekers Logitech 800 bluetooth/RF headset 
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
xeon 1230 v3 Asrock Z87e itx powercolor r9 290 Changes like socks 
Hard DriveOptical DriveCoolingOS
m500 ssd no! ah, soon Vista Home Prem 
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