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Originally Posted by Tsumi View Post

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Taken completely out of context, and within context, the message is so convoluted it's exactly like political double-speak.

BTW, Windows 8 is not closed, not even close.
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They're continuing down the path of making a closed OS.

And that's very clearly the path they are taking.
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And that's very clearly the path they are taking.

Again, taken out of context. The question was specifically directed at the aims and goals of the Surface RT and Windows RT, not the x86 counterpart.

Additionally, they cannot take the closed path because of their business customers.
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Ha! the disc will just be 3 times the size biggrin.gif
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Originally Posted by Tsumi View Post

Again, taken out of context. The question was specifically directed at the aims and goals of the Surface RT and Windows RT, not the x86 counterpart.

Additionally, they cannot take the closed path because of their business customers.

They've continually said they're combining the OS's since well before 8's launch.
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Originally Posted by Bill Gates, 10/22/2012, http://www.theregister.co.uk/2012/10/22/gates_windows8_phone8_merger/ 
"We're certainly sharing between Windows 8 and Windows Phone 8 – sharing the user interface, sharing some of those development tools, and over time we'll just get to do more and more of that," [Gates] said in an in-house video (below). "It's evolving literally into being a single platform."

There's definitely more out there. I believe I remember Ballmer making a similar statement before 8 came out. This was the first I found so yeah.

She(the woman in a previous post that I quoted) says they're "continuing down that path" and they're sacrificing "flexibility" in the process. Since they haven't said anything about a different path since then(that I'm aware of), the only logical assumption is "that path" refers to the merging of the 3 OS's that Gates mentioned over a year ago. The sacrifice of flexibility just further points in that direction. And considering the desktop is officially "Legacy Mode" it's rather obvious where this is headed.

In regards to businesses, there's already a group policy in 8 that allows you to enable non-store app downloads. I'd say it's pretty likely in Windows 9 or 10 or whenever they get around to merging them, the prices and versions of Windows will go back to normal prices and tiers. The prices/condensed tiers for 8 were most likely just trying to push the software. There will probably be at least "Premium" and "Pro" tiers, possibly adding a "Business" one just to ensure even less people have access to group policies.

So again, once the desktop mode is officially phased out. Which undeniably is happening. The only thing between a closed system would be Group Policies. Something the majority of users won't have access to and even if they do won't have any idea how to use. So yeah... writing's on the wall...
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I still don't get all the venemous hatred for the start screen. I think mine looks pretty cool (thanks to 8.1's additions as well as Oblytile):


You may like that (and there is nothing wrong with that) but that would drive me nuts. Heck, I don't even like Icons on Win 7; I minimize them as small as possible (except for within My Photos), preferring lists with details. I've used lists that progress from top to bottom all my life (I'm 64, btw) and, besides seeing no point in changing, I can read a list faster and home in on what I'm looking for faster that when using icons or tiles that progress horizontally. List take up less room the icons and tiles (especially tiles), allowing me to see more onscreen at once. Filenames, program names, etc. are easier for me to read from lists; many tiles give no clue what they represent unless one can recognize them from the often obscure representation on the tiles, which I usually can't.

I also feel the tiles look childish (granted, that is a personal preference). One of the nice things about Win 7 is one has more choices in appearances than Win 8 does unless one resorts to third party programs to restore some of Win 7's functionality.
     
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You may like that (and there is nothing wrong with that) but that would drive me nuts. Heck, I don't even like Icons on Win 7; I minimize them as small as possible (except for within My Photos), preferring lists with details. I've used lists that progress from top to bottom all my life (I'm 64, btw) and, besides seeing no point in changing, I can read a list faster and home in on what I'm looking for faster that when using icons or tiles that progress horizontally. List take up less room the icons and tiles (especially tiles), allowing me to see more onscreen at once. Filenames, program names, etc. are easier for me to read from lists; many tiles give no clue what they represent unless one can recognize them from the often obscure representation on the tiles, which I usually can't.

I also feel the tiles look childish (granted, that is a personal preference). One of the nice things about Win 7 is one has more choices in appearances than Win 8 does unless one resorts to third party programs to restore some of Win 7's functionality.

Well, thank God there's the desktop. You are acting like they removed the windows/file explorer in Windows 8. They didn't wink.gif
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You may like that (and there is nothing wrong with that) but that would drive me nuts. Heck, I don't even like Icons on Win 7; I minimize them as small as possible (except for within My Photos), preferring lists with details. I've used lists that progress from top to bottom all my life (I'm 64, btw) and, besides seeing no point in changing, I can read a list faster and home in on what I'm looking for faster that when using icons or tiles that progress horizontally. List take up less room the icons and tiles (especially tiles), allowing me to see more onscreen at once. Filenames, program names, etc. are easier for me to read from lists; many tiles give no clue what they represent unless one can recognize them from the often obscure representation on the tiles, which I usually can't.

I also feel the tiles look childish (granted, that is a personal preference). One of the nice things about Win 7 is one has more choices in appearances than Win 8 does unless one resorts to third party programs to restore some of Win 7's functionality.
How much exactly can you change in the start menu, as far as colors and themes go? hmm?
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... There's definitely more out there. I believe I remember Ballmer making a similar statement before 8 came out. This was the first I found so yeah.

She(the woman in a previous post that I quoted) says they're "continuing down that path" and they're sacrificing "flexibility" in the process. Since they haven't said anything about a different path since then(that I'm aware of), the only logical assumption is "that path" refers to the merging of the 3 OS's that Gates mentioned over a year ago. The sacrifice of flexibility just further points in that direction. And considering the desktop is officially "Legacy Mode" it's rather obvious where this is headed.

In regards to businesses, there's already a group policy in 8 that allows you to enable non-store app downloads. I'd say it's pretty likely in Windows 9 or 10 or whenever they get around to merging them, the prices and versions of Windows will go back to normal prices and tiers. The prices/condensed tiers for 8 were most likely just trying to push the software. There will probably be at least "Premium" and "Pro" tiers, possibly adding a "Business" one just to ensure even less people have access to group policies.

So again, once the desktop mode is officially phased out. Which undeniably is happening. The only thing between a closed system would be Group Policies. Something the majority of users won't have access to and even if they do won't have any idea how to use. So yeah... writing's on the wall...

^ You've touched it with a needle.

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How much exactly can you change in the start menu, as far as colors and themes go? hmm?

 

You used to be able to select, but they (annoyingly) changed this in 8.1 to pull colors from the program icon. This would be fine if it didn't get confused half the time as to what color to choose and default to orange. However, a workaround has been to download custom icons (designed specifically for windows 8) from around the net and use them with the programs. A mate of mine did this to get all grey tiles and it worked great. The background of the start screen is your desktop background. You can choose between tiny (50x50), medium (100x100) and occasionally, larger icons. Most of the tiles on my start screen are set to tiny.

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No one is forcing anything. That is the furthest from the truth. MS isn't forcing anything. You don't like it, buy something else. You have that freedom. Stop saying someone is forcing you to do something when you willingly spend your own money.

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Originally Posted by Domino View Post

Using some long-dated primitive quotes there. Windows is not a simple operating system, it's actually quite complex with numerous specializations.

A soldier can be a jack-of-all-trades, but when in use, the squad outsources the manpower to specific roles. The best of the best are trained in all fields and are masters in all.

Quoted both posts for truth. And, laughing at the luddites going on and on about m-dollarsign instead of just installing a free or couple-of-dollar program (many options exist) to give them their start menu instead of the start screen. I own a Bay Trail tablet, a convertible laptop/tablet hybrid, a bunch of normal laptops, and some normal desktops... Win8 and 8.1 are awesome on them. Faster, snappier, better UI and tweaks, less problems, better DPI scaling, better search, better performance even in games (see BF4 as a prime example of this), and overall just flat-out better than Win7 in a million different little ways.

Win7 was Vista with a bit of UI refinement, yet the same people whining about Vista post-SP1 still lapped up Win7 anyway wink.gif. An OS can be great at everything, and Win8.1 is getting close... just like that best of the best soldier. MS continuing down this path is one of the best things that could happen for actual users, rather than forum warriors whose needs would be fulfilled by a simple Android phone just as well.
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