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yes although we all get the same letter back, if enought people send them they may just get the point.
I dont know about how their support on dfi.com works but if its a form then i say everyone with a dfi board thinks of one of the problems they have had or make one up and flood them with support questions. if this hasn't already been mentioned.
Then the company would be justified to treat it as spam.

Think carefully ahead of consequences. Because if folks don't, folks will get a form reply back at best, at worst, it's eaten by a spam filter.
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Travis stated he would like to continue with the site and knows alot are left hanging with issues but cannot continue the site without support himself....It's that whole moral issue...why should he be exploited for his goods and services for free while he foots a large bill for the site...
Right there is the pickle ALL hardware sites and their forums are in. Every site, including this one is looking out for it's bottom line -- these hardware sites are businesses, they're not here just for show. Exploitation is par on course (sorry Overclock.net the truth is the truth) because in order to have a major hardware site it does take $$$$$. That revenue to keep the servers online, maintained, and the folks who originally hatched a site paid.

How are these sites paid? By hardware vendors. It's like newspapers, although they claim they will be impartial in reporting, they also know not to anger their advertizers with a candid review of who's paying for their printing and employee costs. Although disclaimers and disclosures are now becoming more and more required, it doesn't mean the reviews and more will be free from the industry's push/pull. As admins/editors know who's paying the bills.

So what will the new DFI-Street become then? Another hardware site paid by flashing ads, and snuggling up with vendors for scoops that no other site can get (and cash in on the traffic)? It will be no better than the company it split from, the same undercurrent that drives DFI to split, will just carry over to the new support forum -- WE NEED MONEY NOW! BUY!!!

It's called, we're a business and we need money. Travis and whoever else were let go on a business decision. Just like Travis and whoever will let go of forum members due to a business decision.

For all I know DFI is evil carnate, but since no one else knows the real story (we don't and never will, because if we did neither party would look nice), if DFI-Street releases rumors, one-sided viewpoints and uses displaced members to influence opinions, counterpoints are needed to remind end-users (who appear to be 16 year-olds [self-report] on average on this forum), that this thread content is not impartial. Take it with the largest grain of salt no matter how tempting the "news" appears to be true.

Furthermore, Overclock.net staff should keep neutral, since it could backfire and not look good on this site (remember advertizers?), as bias will be shown and cast light on future reviews, too.
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Right there is the pickle ALL hardware sites and their forums are in. Every site, including this one is looking out for it's bottom line -- these hardware sites are businesses, they're not here just for show. Exploitation is par on course (sorry Overclock.net the truth is the truth) because in order to have a major hardware site it does take $$$$$. That revenue to keep the servers online, maintained, and the folks who originally hatched a site paid.

How are these sites paid? By hardware vendors. It's like newspapers, although they claim they will be impartial in reporting, they also know not to anger their advertizers with a candid review of who's paying for their printing and employee costs. Although disclaimers and disclosures are now becoming more and more required, it doesn't mean the reviews and more will be free from the industry's push/pull. As admins/editors know who's paying the bills.

So what will the new DFI-Street become then? Another hardware site paid by flashing ads, and snuggling up with vendors for scoops that no other site can get (and cash in on the traffic)? It will be no better than the company it split from, the same undercurrent that drives DFI to split, will just carry over to the new support forum -- WE NEED MONEY NOW! BUY!!!

It's called, we're a business and we need money. Travis and whoever else were let go on a business decision. Just like Travis and whoever will let go of forum members due to a business decision.

For all I know DFI is evil carnate, but since no one else knows the real story (we don't and never will, because if we did neither party would look nice), if DFI-Street releases rumors, one-sided viewpoints and uses displaced members to influence opinions, counterpoints are needed to remind end-users (who appear to be 16 year-olds [self-report] on average on this forum), that this thread content is not impartial. Take it with the largest grain of salt no matter how tempting the "news" appears to be true.

Furthermore, Overclock.net staff should keep neutral, since it could backfire and not look good on this site (remember advertizers?), as bias will be shown and cast light on future reviews, too.
thats just how things work man...

If you have ever visited the street then you know how straight forward the place is...you DO NOT get the kind of suport from Asus that you do/did from dfi-street.... there is no comparison...

I will be the first to admit they the suport alone sways my decision to use a product...

And truth for the matter I try not to be a big fan-boy to one product as I like to keep my views open... But suport for a board is the biggest importance for me and should come in the form from a direct board site... with user interaction....

Usually when I move to a new platform I will buy anybrand to start off with and then move to a DFI as the next jump...

Now to be impartial I jumped at a AM2 build on the release...and I went with Asus.... but I was/am unhappy with that choice based on 2 reasons...the 1st being the biggest...Support...when I needed some support...hours on the phone to try and resovles issues that may never be resolved is terrible..

and 2 bios layout...yes I am bios spoiled...BUT....I am not knocking Asus...they do things their way and thats fine...and it seems they are stepping things up...but..also My next purchase if not DFI would be a ABIT board for the simple fact they have the only support that come close to matching dfi-street...

I build using many board manufactures and put service and support priority one for my customers...They as well as I shouldnt have to wait weeks for a turn around...

I think many people forget that this is a hobby and get caught up in the necessity of things...

Some people are too quick to judge and blame things other than themselves when things go awry...(not saying everyone)...

But...what other forum can you go to to get overclock setting and known good compatable hardware information and full support from the the one who have actually done their homework...

Some places you go to for help just cant seem to be bothered with noobish questions... and thats sad some poeple have that attitude...

I takes a big person to stand up and tell there uppers when they arent really in the right...and wont really deal with the issues at hand....

Basically Travis stood up for the users of the cfx3200 as well as other boards with problems and let them know he wasnt happy with the service and responces DFI was shelling out....(you read the 1st page right).....

I am the same way...if my boss starts shoveling crap to his customers...I am the kind of person to stick up for the customer and get in the bosses face doing so.... it isnt fair to the customers that pay for a good and service they dont get 100%....and are just basically told to deal with it...

I have done this and it has cost me a job or 2.... but if a company isnt going to stand behind their product 100% then I wont work for them either...

Most people wouldnt say anything and just walk the other way because they need a paycheck....I say the same thing when I leave a job..."I was looking for a job when I found this one....."

But the main thing is...it doesnt matter what brand board maker it is....some people will just not put up with second best work when they pay top dollar for the best....


Oh and I wouldnt worry about DFI putting the email as spam....if you send emails...they will get the hint.... especially when they spen more time tring to sift thru our email vs. real tech support mail....
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I haven't been able to finish reading all of this thread yet but I wanted to put in my 2 cents. This really sucks as I just got my DFI mobo in October. I'm glad that I was able to set it up with no problems. I love this board but when the time comes to upgrade I will have to look elsewhere.
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I've just received an email from Frank Wong - rgone wasn't fired (I'm sure someone somewhere else said he had been) and will be the head moderator in the new DFI forum
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thats just how things work man...
Which means, DFI had every right to terminate employees that effect their bottom line. Tell us, if Travis et. al. terminated forum members who disagreed with his running of a forum, would you guys do the same lamblasting of him and his venture? Leaking emails, bad mouthing his forum, launching spam, enlisting help from every critic known to show him "we're boss"?

If not, that's not business, that's plain hypocrisy.

Can't have it both ways and be honest about best interests (and honesty here is what matters, since end-users HATE to be ripped off from either party. DFI with pushing sorry motherboards; DFI supporters who think money grows on trees, with an attitude of a 2x4, too).

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If you have ever visited the street then you know how straight forward the place is...you DO NOT get the kind of suport from Asus that you do/did from dfi-street.... there is no comparison...
Why would I want to visit a site that goes nuclear like this? If they go nuclear upon an employer/employee issue, what best interest do they have for me an end-user? More soap operas to chuckle over? More time wasted on queens trying to justify their positions? More bandwidth wasted on tabloid news?

No, I'm not interested in more trash talk. I am interested that hardware sites keep as honest as possible, and not turn into a Fleet Street venture, instead.

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I will be the first to admit they the suport alone sways my decision to use a product...
I admit that MS and Intel helps to feed my family, but I'll be the first to lamblast either if they released crappy wares, because in the end I'm a customer. Loyalty doesn't mean being a lap dog. That is what's lost here, it's "We ALL support DFI-Street!!" almost at foaming of the mouth level, yet not one coming in to say, "Hey, look man, DFI-Street isn't Snow White, either". This one sideness taints the presentation and turns it into an incestious love fest, not one about the FACTS -- termination of employees due to bottomline interests.

Good, bad, and ugly that's how business works. This matter is a employer/employee issue, and it was handled like a 16 year-old would handle it -- trashing the employer publicly and trying to use their fan base as leverage to overturn the decision (which is indeed exploitation). Yeah, DFI can make sorry hardware -- think those who follow hardware already would know this -- but to have an employer/employee flamefest doesn't make the accuser look any better. It smacks of revenge, and revenge is an emotional (not logical) response full of all the ills folks need to avoid.

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And truth for the matter I try not to be a big fan-boy to one product as I like to keep my views open... But suport for a board is the biggest importance for me and should come in the form from a direct board site... with user interaction....
Maybe. But what folks see is a 200:0 one sided ratio, coming from the same site that DFI terminated association with. Is that "fair"? Impartial? Objective?
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Right there is the pickle ALL hardware sites and their forums are in. Every site, including this one is looking out for it's bottom line -- these hardware sites are businesses, they're not here just for show…

How are these sites paid? By hardware vendors…
No-one has argued otherwise. This is just as true as the fact that some individuals use forums to make their voice and opinions heard; a safe and anonymous way of boosting someone’s self-esteem.

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So what will the new DFI-Street become then? Another hardware site paid by flashing ads, and snuggling up with vendors for scoops that no other site can get (and cash in on the traffic)? It will be no better than the company it split from, the same undercurrent that drives DFI to split, will just carry over to the new support forum -- WE NEED MONEY NOW! BUY!!!
Further down you write: “no one else knows the real story”, so why do you still pretend to know? I looked through posts made by you on this forum and it does provoke a lot of questions: why this urge to argue about everything possible from DFI to Einstein? Why this need to tell others that they are “cornered”? Even if you’re right is it really that important? Why this obsession with DFI, a company which according to your words doesn’t even interest you? Why make yourself important by saying “since DFI isn't be represented at all here, I feel some balance is necessary”, when your balancing the discussion means that you’re filling up a thread with endless posts?

If you need company or some-one to chat with feel free to post private messages to me. I’m not joking, because if you have the need to post more than 20 messages per day and many in a similar style as what you have shown in this thread, you ought to have a special need in communicating with people.

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For all I know DFI is evil carnate…
My native language isn’t English but I suppose the last word should be “incarnate”; nevertheless I tend to ask: “sorry did you really write that? I mean after all the morality lections about keeping out of this and don’t have any opinions since none of us knows the whole story” this blunt sentence doesn’t look good, does it?

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…but since no one else knows the real story…
Oh here that statement comes again. If Mr. Humble is writing this let’s see how it continues:

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(we don't and never will, because if we did neither party would look nice), if DFI-Street releases rumors, one-sided viewpoints and uses displaced members to influence opinions, counterpoints are needed to remind end-users (who appear to be 16 year-olds [self-report] on average on this forum), that this thread content is not impartial. Take it with the largest grain of salt no matter how tempting the "news" appears to be true.

Furthermore, Overclock.net staff should keep neutral, since it could backfire and not look good on this site (remember advertizers?), as bias will be shown and cast light on future reviews, too.
Mr. Humble finish this up nicely by insulting the members of Overclock.net by insinuating that they are kids who can’t evaluate given information. Furthermore referring to me and others as “displaced members” stupid enough to be used and manipulated. If that wasn’t enough, you’re humble enough to reprimand the staff of Overclock.net for their in your view improper conduct. I’ve never seen a better lecture in humility! Don’t you realize how bad this rhetoric corresponds with the audience?

Besides the doubtful dialectic you do miss one of the key elements of posts made by “displaced members” of DFI-Street? It’s not about choosing sides; we want both DFI and DFI-Street to solve this as smooth as possible and I’m certain that none of us are particularly interested in digging up dirt; let it all be forgotten if this problem might get solved. The reason for us to make our voices heard is because we strongly believe that DFI-Street is the best, even if not always the most comfortable, venue for DFI products. A company needs consumers, and consumers need to tell what they want.

I didn’t respond to your respond to my previous post, just as I promised. Feel free to totally crash me into dust with arguments, but I won’t respond any more. My purpose with this post is the following petition:

Since you don’t care and haven’t owned a DFI product, and furthermore basically use this thread as an opportunity to make baseless arguments, please, leave this thread in peace to the ones who do care about this particular issue.
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No-one has argued otherwise. This is just as true as the fact that some individuals use forums to make their voice and opinions heard; a safe and anonymous way of boosting someone’s self-esteem.
Or to pass the time, like everyone else who posts here.

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Further down you write: “no one else knows the real storyâ€, so why do you still pretend to know? I looked through posts made by you on this forum and it does provoke a lot of questions: why this urge to argue about everything possible from DFI to Einstein? Why this need to tell others that they are “corneredâ€? Even if you’re right is it really that important? Why this obsession with DFI, a company which according to your words doesn’t even interest you? Why make yourself important by saying “since DFI isn't be represented at all here, I feel some balance is necessaryâ€, when your balancing the discussion means that you’re filling up a thread with endless posts?
I posted earlier a link from another hardware site outlining the attitude of the loudest DFI-Street members from an earlier flame up (seems this is a pattern others seen too). Each and every loose firing of the cannons adds credit to those observations.

And I'm filling up this thread TO balance the presentation, as I would with other threads of a similiar vein. Because if it's not done, sites like this, are but tabloids. And it's not fair to anyone, especially young teen-agers with parents with credit cards.

So let's put this all in perspective:

FACT: Issue began with DFI terminating employees.
FACT: Issue escalated with employee being critical of the employer publicly.
FACT: Critic employee (the admin) lost contract with DFI as a support site.
FACT: Forum members now are criticising DFI for terminating that contract.

Everything else is chaw to be chewed upon.
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