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OP, chill out man. People are offering their opinion, which you specifically came here for.. If you are going to get that worked up in favor of the 770, then it seems you already made your choice. Some may not agree with it, but the 770 is not a bad card. Have fun with it.

Also Mantle will be in BF4, a game you want to max, one month from now. Food for thought.
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Well the one I was reading it about was the ASUS Direct CUII one which everybody says is the best.

probably just a defective unit then really. I dont think ive ever seen any asus dcu2 7970s have any problems in the time i was messing around with a couple of them. i dont think any driver issues were causing artifacts at stock clocks either, maybe crashing due to whatever reason, but not artifacting. Probably just a crappy chip on the asus pcb. luck of the draw really. We have seen a lot of 780s and titans and 780tis artifact at stock clocks too.

To be fair, I've been talking a lot with BritishBob, he's RMAing his 7970 DCU II for the... 3rd time I think. Back to the store, not ASUS. All of them memory issues. One was DOA and had a damaged ram chip, another crashed if RAM usage went over a certain mark, and the last apparently had nasty artifacting. Guy has incredibly bad luck recently, but these were also the only reports of "bad" cards I have personally heard that wasn't "from a friend who has a friend with these problems". It could be that his store just got a bad batch.

I've owned 2 7870s, 3 7950s, a 7970 and a 7990, every last one of them good, so I feel somewhat justified in my experience in saying that such issues are rare.

Off topic:

Man it's nice to have someone who is probably recognized as an nVidia fanboy by name who has a level head. It should go without saying, but we need more like you. Now if only I could talk some of the guys on the AMD side away from being quite so zealous... tongue.gif

Knowing what Mantle is and being excited for it is a far cry from it being some magical nVidia killer. Just an random example. ninja.gif
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mine can go to 1250 , i also have a matrix that does 1280- 1850 , this is down to luck , but some other card will not even reach the 1150 , and it's cooler and quieter then many other card clocked lower ,....
no the playing field is not level because the price of the nvidia's are not worth their perf anymore at all .

770's are the same price as 280x's in the UK for equal performance (they beat eachother in different games) so that is not true everywhere, either is a good buy for around £260.

This is not a theoretical argument thread, this is a help the OP thread. OP has chosen his unit of money as USD based on the use of the Dollar symbol and US pricing, and as such only the US market matters here.

If the OP were from England, then obviously it would be a different story, but that information is useless here. For the same reason you can't help someone from India based on US market information, you can not help OP with UK market information.

If you are going to make an argument as to why the OP should do something (which is why we are here), please stick to the relevant market to avoid confusion.
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i know different people have different budgets and all that, and ive been lucky to have a larger than most budget when it comes to gpus, and if you arent blind and can get past the whole nvidia vs amd thing for atleast half a second it doesnt take a genius to know the 290 is such a better card than the 770 the extra $100 shouldnt even come into question. sell your dog, sell your couch, sell something and get the $100 card that will last you a LOT longer. if you want to claim i have an amd bias, check my sig rigs, or check the photos in my profile, you will find no bias here.

If you have already stretched your budget to over what you can really afford for a 280x or a 770 though, to stretch it another £50/$70 or more on top of that is a lot of money and the person will most likely need to think carefully if they can really afford to do it. I know as I am in that situation myself, my budget started out at around £200 and has gone up to about £270, I really can't afford to spend more than that on a graphics card so I'm finding it hard to justify spending another £60+ to get a 290 instead (that's if my power supply is even enough for it) considering my setup of a single 1080p monitor also the same as the OP.
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This is not a theoretical argument thread, this is a help the OP thread. OP has chosen his unit of money as USD based on the use of the Dollar symbol and US pricing, and as such only the US market matters here.

If the OP were from England, then obviously it would be a different story, but that information is useless here. For the same reason you can't help someone from India based on US market information, you can not help OP with UK market information.

If you are going to make an argument as to why the OP should do something (which is why we are here), please stick to the relevant market to avoid confusion.

You can get a MSI GTX 770 on newegg for $299, same price as the 280x's, so it still applies.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814127741

Anyways I was just informing the guy I replied to that 770's aren't a lot more expensive than 280x's everywhere in the world. In some places they compete price-wise as well as performance-wise.


The 4GB version on the other hand is a lot more in the US and wouldn't be worth getting instead of a 290 due to the small price difference. You would also probably have to have some kind of brain condition to pay $385 for a 4GB 770 instead of around $300 for a 3GB 280x, at least if you have to think about how much you spend and you're not absolutely loaded anyways. The 4GB prices in america are ridiculous, they're bad here too with some being around the price of 290's although you can occasionally get them for a small bit more (around £10-£20) than 2GB where they are far better value.
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To be fair, I've been talking a lot with BritishBob, he's RMAing his 7970 DCU II for the... 3rd time I think. Back to the store, not ASUS. All of them memory issues. One was DOA and had a damaged ram chip, another crashed if RAM usage went over a certain mark, and the last apparently had nasty artifacting. Guy has incredibly bad luck recently, but these were also the only reports of "bad" cards I have personally heard that wasn't "from a friend who has a friend with these problems". It could be that his store just got a bad batch.

I've owned 2 7870s, 3 7950s, a 7970 and a 7990, every last one of them good, so I feel somewhat justified in my experience in saying that such issues are rare.

Off topic:

Man it's nice to have someone who is probably recognized as an nVidia fanboy by name who has a level head. It should go without saying, but we need more like you. Now if only I could talk some of the guys on the AMD side away from being quite so zealous... tongue.gif

wow thats some terrible luck with that card, maybe the store is giving him defective cards on purpose to mess with him rofl thumbsupsmiley.png

i wish more people werent so zealous about their preferred company, that doesnt even know they exist =\ oh well lol.

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If you have already stretched your budget to over what you can really afford for a 280x or a 770 though, to stretch it another £50/$70 or more on top of that is a lot of money and the person will most likely need to think carefully if they can really afford to do it. I know as I am in that situation myself, my budget started out at around £200 and has gone up to about £270, I really can't afford to spend more than that on a graphics card so I'm finding it hard to justify spending another £60+ to get a 290 instead (that's if my power supply is even enough for it).

im assuming he can stretch his budget to get the 290 though, if he even factored it in as an option. if he cant, he should be asking 280x vs 770.
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This is not a theoretical argument thread, this is a help the OP thread. OP has chosen his unit of money as USD based on the use of the Dollar symbol and US pricing, and as such only the US market matters here.

If the OP were from England, then obviously it would be a different story, but that information is useless here. For the same reason you can't help someone from India based on US market information, you can not help OP with UK market information.

If you are going to make an argument as to why the OP should do something (which is why we are here), please stick to the relevant market to avoid confusion.

You can get a MSI GTX 770 on newegg for $299, same price as the 280x's, so it still applies.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814127741

The 4GB version on the other hand is a lot more and wouldn't be worth getting instead of a 290 due to the small price difference.

You can get 7970s, which are 280Xs, for as low as $270. It does not.
http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=8699314&CatId=7387
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You can get 7970s, which are 280Xs, for as low as $270. It does not.
http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=8699314&CatId=7387

He didn't ask about 7970's, if he was also interested in those then fair enough but they have not been mentioned by him. He wants either a 770/280x or 290. If you are going to start mentioning EOL 7970's you can start looking for cheap EOL 680's too although I don't know how they're priced in the US.
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He didn't ask about 7970's, if he was also interested in those then fair enough but they have not been mentioned by him. He wants either a 770/280x or 290. If you are going to start mentioning 7970's you can start looking for cheap 680's too.

7970 is the same card.
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280x is a 7970 tongue.gif
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im assuming he can stretch his budget to get the 290 though, if he even factored it in as an option. if he cant, he should be asking 280x vs 770.

I guess so, as I've already said in this thread if he can afford the 290 he should get it, I would.
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if the 290 is in his budget, even though its just on the edge, he should go for it.

if he really cant stretch it there, the 280x would be better imo.
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