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Well that is completely different. You could not get the loan without the paper work.

If you just logged onto a file server and double clicked an install file and the software installed with no licensing popups...how would you know? If you did know...you have the software installed and running...and you had twelve other things to do...you might just ignore it too.

But that's not what you said. The way you said it, you are inferring that the person taking the software was too lazy to do the right thing, so they just stole it.

For that, they should be in prison.

I said that some one was too lazy or didn't know about it...I just added "to busy to care" as well which might relate heavily to the lazy part.

It should get investigated...being the military I guaranty that it is. If it was done due to laziness or on purpose to save some money...I'd dishonorably discharge or admin sep those people or in other words fire them, because that is what would happen to me if I did that at work. If people just didn't know then there was a failure to educate and train properly. Which in a fair world would cause some management to lose their jobs, but that rarely happens.

No one has done anything that any current law would require them to do jail time unless they've been selling illegal copies of the software. Though there are a few articles in the UCMJ that might give them some time in the brig depending on how the investigation plays out and who gets made the scape goat...one thing I learned in the military; one or a few people must always take the blame and get reprimanded for it though it seldom is the correct people.

but don't go throwing the word "Government" around as the mastermind of this. Congress did not give the order to do this...the President did not give the order to do this...the high ranking officers did not give the order to do this...this was done by staff in the military. The military is just a normal job filled with normal working people who can make the same mistakes as any one. Their actions should not be reflected on the entire "government". Unless this ends up being a high level management decision to pirate this software...then go for it since those are the true representatives of the government, but I doubt they'd do something like this knowingly.
Edited by Vagrant Storm - 11/29/13 at 9:03am
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Sorry, but in my eyes, if you aren't a private citizen, you are part of "the government".
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Who ever was in charge should be given an unlimited fine and 50 years minimum in prison.
    
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This topic has gone full stupid.

People should be put in prison for making an error and installing too many copies of software? How about no.

At worst, they should have to pay for what they installed out of the licences terms... which is exactly what the government did.
Edited by Cheezman - 11/29/13 at 10:55am
 
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Come on now, even if you just read the OP's quote, you'd know it's the software developer in question.
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This topic has gone full stupid.

People should be put in prison for making an error and installing too many copies of software? How about no.

At worst, they should have to pay for what they installed out of the licences terms... which is exactly what the government did.

They are saying how piracy is bad and how people shouldn't do it, but if they do it they get massive fines and/or are sent to prison. They shouldn't dish out what they can't take.

Who ever was in charge should be forced to pay a fine out of his/her own pocket and/or sent to prison. Or they should change the sentences people have been getting for doing the same thing.
    
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Ok, deduct the real licensing money from 50mil and then cut it outta those "absent minded" officers who "might" have forgot about doing something they should have. It was your money that was allocated for the licensing, but now more of your tax money went away. Well, any military is supposed to be more disciplined than regular business right ? Why would they get away with warning ? And don't forget, they made a deal for 50mil, the company had sued for 250mil.
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They are saying how piracy is bad and how people shouldn't do it, but if they do it they get massive fines and/or are sent to prison. They shouldn't dish out what they can't take.

Who ever was in charge should be forced to pay a fine out of his/her own pocket and/or sent to prison. Or they should change the sentences people have been getting for doing the same thing.

They aren't taking what they dish out? If you read the OP you would see they had to dish out to the developer. No doubt the developer agreed to a lower fine in exchange for good continued business.

There is no one person in charge. This is the result of hundreds of people acting on their own.

I swear... some of you people...
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It's a pirate's life for me, murica!
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I thought I would chime in as a Sys Admin, terrible programmer, and vet too.
  • The amount of "illegal" installs could easily fall in the realm / work load of one or two IT personnel or image deployments.
  • Often times, IT personnel fall into the range of E-1, to E-5. Supervisors are usually E-5 and above.
  • Majority of E-5 and below are under 24, the ripest age for "bending" the rules.
  • This occurred mostly before the Obama administration.
  • The military has nothing to do with "Anti-Piracy / Net Neutrality" rhetoric, and no the NSA is not military either.
  • The government is showing us that it is taking responsibility. Something a lot of people have forgotten to do themselves.
  • Contractors often screw over the government with 1000% markup. Why we agree to it sometimes, I am not sure.
  • Server "installations" doesn't always mean it is in use. It could have simply been a shuffling of old to new servers, or physical to virtual servers, without proper license transfers.
  • The government, military included, are allowed to make mistakes, as long as they take responsibility for them.
  • Those complaining about "wasted" tax dollars as it has to be paid by "our taxes" fail to realize the entire country operates on taxes. Where else would it come from? Magical unicorn farts?
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