Originally Posted by sugarhell
But thats the point of quiet bios...Based on silicon and tdp you get your clocks. The tdp limit is around 220 watt on quiet bios so high asic cards will hit it sooner than low asic cards so you get more throttling. 'QUIET' bios nothing else to discuss here lol
With nvidia products you don't have such nonsense compromises - the GTX 780 overclocks to be 15% or so better than Titan fairly easily, so I really have to question why anyone would want to go through the pain of dealing with AMD issues with a reference 290X. The 780 is also quieter than the quiet BIOS on the 290X while having better overclocking to boot.
I just cannot understand why AMD put such compromises on their halo card, and I also can't understand why anyone would defend this. The card should not lose 22-25% performance with quiet fan settings. That is rubbish. (See the anandtech 290 review, quiet fan speeds = 22-25% loss of performance due to throttling).
The bottom line is that AMD failed with their quality control and reference design - now aftermarket 290 cards could (and probably will) fix these issues, but AMD should not have let these issues happen in the first place IMHO. Not everyone can use an open air cooled card, so anyone wanting a reference design, nvidia just offers a better product.
I'm sure i'll get called an nvidia fanboy or whatever for saying this, it seems like AMD fans cannot admit that the design of the 290 and 290X are flawed. This crap with performance variance should not happen. Additionally, I've used tons of AMD cards and I really enjoyed using the 7970s, so I just snicker when someone refers to me as an nvidia fanboy. I've purchased tons of ATI/AMD GPUs, yet i'm the fanboy. Yeah, whatever. Oddly enough, the 7970 did not have performance variance AND I could use quiet fan speeds on them without a loss of performance - sadly the 290 cannot be quiet and high performing at the same time.Edited by xoleras - 11/28/13 at 3:02pm