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I've been parting out pieces of a loop and think I got everything. But I was wondering if there was anything I missed, or some pieces of small hardware I'm missing, so I figured I'd ask advice.

Parts to Cool:
CPU: i5-4670K
GPU: Radeon r9 290

I'm swapping out the motherboard, and carrying over everything else from my current system.

Water Loop:
Radiator/Reservoir: Swiftech MCR220 (w/res)
Res Fans: 2x Cougar CF-V12H 120mm fans
Waterblock/Pump: Apogee Drive II
VGA Block: Koolance VID-AR290X

I've got some AS5 I'm planning to use for the waterblocks. I'm putting all of this into a carbide air 540. I'll be using a mixture of 3/8 ID barbs and Koolance QD3s for fittings. Using 3/8 x 5/8 PrimoFlex LRT tubing. Regarding hose clamps, is it better to go with spring clamps, worm drive clamps, or double zip ties? I can get any of those pretty easily. Will any of those be adequate? RE: coolant, I should be fine with distilled water + copper sulfide algaecide (from my aquarium), right? If you only have two fans, is it better to put them in push or pull configuration?

Some of this stuff will be swapped out in six months when I drain the loop and have more money to throw at fittings (like replacing those barbs with QD fittings if they work out well), and adding more fans. Does this seem like enough radiator for the GPU + CPU?



Any problems with that loop? I'm planning on putting QDC male connections on all the inputs, barbs on all the outputs, tubling on the barbs, and QDC females on the other end of all the tubing. Any anticipated problems with that arrangement? I have enough barbs to do the whole thing with barbs and clamps just in case.

I should be able to drain by disconnecting the output tube that leads from the graphics card to the radiator, holding it over a bucket, removing the QDC from the end of the tube, and opening the fill cap on the res, right? That's physically the lowest point in the loop. Any better suggestions without adding a T-line? Other things I've missed or haven't considered? Problems?
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DozenTwenties - First welcome to OCN!

A couple points to start off.

1. I don't see a res in your drawing, but you mentioned w/res. Res placement should be above and feed directly into the Apogee. Which type/model are you using?

2. barb clamps - IMO, I would stick with the spring or hose clamps. But zip ties will also work.

3. Rad - there are many opinions on how much rad you will need, but a general rule of thumb is 120 for every component + 120. You can monitor the temps of the GPU to see how the system performs with the swiftec rad, then when you swap to the new case, etc. more rad could be added if needed.

With only 240 worth of rad (1 CPU, 1GPU) you might need higher fans speeds at load to keep the temps in check.

4. push vs. pull - This really shouldn't matter, IMO push/pull is the way to go. With this 30mm thick rad, push/pull I would not make that big of a difference. So either push or pull will work. Normally when you run rads greater than 30mm thick with a small fin spacing you need the extra static pressure with a push/pull system.

Here is a link to MartinsLabs. There is a lot of testing and info regarding rads, pumps, and various setups of each.
Edited by skruffs01 - 11/28/13 at 7:11am
     
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Originally Posted by skruffs01 View Post

DozenTwenties - First welcome to OCN!

Thanks.
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1. I don't see a res in your drawing, but you mentioned w/res. Res placement should be above and feed directly into the Apogee. Which type/model are you using?

http://www.frozencpu.com/products/6571/ex-rad-126/Swiftech_MCR220_Quiet_Power_2_x_120mm_Radiator_w_Reservoir_MCR220-QP_Res_R2.html?id=AnuM4UPf&mv_pc=94

That's the radiator, which includes an integrated res. I'm mounting that to the top of the case, and its output goes straight to the Apogee, which should work out fine, right?
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2. barb clamps - IMO, I would stick with the spring or hose clamps. But zip ties will also work.

Spring clamps aren't much, I can get them tomorrow.
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3. Rad - there are many opinions on how much rad you will need, but a general rule of thumb is 120 for every component + 120. You can monitor the temps of the GPU to see how the system performs with the swiftec rad, then when you swap to the new case, etc. more rad could be added if needed.

If needed I guess I can just put a 140mm between the CPU block and VGA block? There's a fan right there on the case, so it should be easy.
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With only 240 worth of rad (1 CPU, 1GPU) you might need higher fans speeds at load to keep the temps in check.

Well, it can't be worse than the stock reference cooling on that r9 290, right?
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4. push vs. pull - This really shouldn't matter, IMO push/pull is the way to go. With this 30mm thick rad, push/pull I would not make that big of a difference. So either push or pull will work. Normally when you run rads greater than 30mm thick with a small fin spacing you need the extra static pressure with a push/pull system.

Thanks!
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Ok, I see the res option. This rad has the fill port so yes, you can also open this and drain the loop. It might be a bit easier with a T fitting or valve ( I know you mentioned without, but it does make it much easier to drain) on a lowest point (GPU) so that draining might be easier when you open the fill port on the rad.

I am not sure on the stock GPU cooler. I know that there were some discussion on the "not so good AMD coolers" on the new releases but I am not sure which cards this applies to or what some of the fixes are. I have only read points on aftermarket coolers being used or needed.

Overall the 240 rad size for the 1 GPU and 1 CPU will be ok, it is just how much fan speed will be needed to cool everything down. Since you didn't mention anything about quiet/silent rig then give your current config a shot. You can then determine what temps you see at which fans speeds, then decide if you need more Rad/fans for the refresh. This is more of a combination thing regarding the rad size. My advice is to see what temps look like at idle and load, then determine the fan speed vs. temp that is acceptable to you. My inital thought is that you will run at the max fan speed at load (just my opinion). If during gaming you see that the GPU and CPU temps keep increasing (GPUz, CPUz, Realtemp, etc) even with the pump and fans at max, you will need more rad.

If you have the cash, I would put the extra rad in but buy one that would work in your new case also since you mentioned a new build in the near future.
Edited by skruffs01 - 11/28/13 at 8:13am
     
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