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Hi all - I've been interested in this monitor, but it's really hard to find a decently in-depth review. I'm convinced that it looks amazing for general use, but I'm also trying to see how capable it is when it comes to gaming, which is what I'd be using it for about half the time. I'd also be downsizing from a 27" 1440p screen - and honestly, I prefer a 24" screen.

Of particular interest is input lag. I've read the hardware.info review in which they state the monitor has zero input lag, but I find this hard to believe. I found another review that suggests the input lag is closer to 40-60ms, which is also kinda hard to believe. Neither one stated the method they used to measure it, so I'm wondering if anyone has a clear answer on the subject. I've read that the response times are within an acceptable range for 60hz, but I do play some faster-paced games where I notice the ~17ms input lag with my current monitor.

Also, has anyone tried running this at 1920x1080? I've read that the scaler doesn't work properly with this resolution, which causes text and such to look crappy. One would think this is really simple to implement, using 4 pixels for every 1 pixel in the signal, but apparently not?

I wonder if there will be any other 24" 4K monitors at a cheaper price this year, or at all. Apparently there is another panel coming in like 6 months, but it seems that mostly everyone is looking for giant 4K monitors.

this is the only medium-sized 4K monitor i know of. Everyone else is like "must be huge 28-32 inch!" and ignore the desk space required for that.

i believe it is 8ms input lag as stated by Dell, but i'm not expert on this, so i don't know.

1080p can scale as long as monitor is in SST mode, but not in MST mode which is needed for full 4k 60 Hz. This is first-gen problems, it does have the scalar to do so, but you have to manually switch the modes via the Dell OSD to do so.

if you try to do fullscreen 1080p in MST mode, it's literally a 1080p smack dab in the middle of the screen pixel for pixel, no scaling is done at all.

1080p to 4K should be easy to scale, its literally 4 pixels to make up 1 pixel like you said.

the whole MST crap is due to the TCONs not strong enough for 4K at 60hz, so they put two TCONs into the monitor where normally only one TCON should be. the monitor is technically two 1920x2160 panels in tiled mode, and the OS and drivers see it as a single 4K screen anyway, but this distinction is made in the drivers first. Good thing Nvidia does that automatically.

if we take out one TCON from the monitor, you only get 4k 30hz, and that's lame. That's why the dell 28 inch is so cheap for 4K at $700: no 60 hz support for 4K.
     
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Indeed. I've also seen people complain that you won't be able to see the pixels at this size/density, like that's a bad thing! I find that I get eye strain too easily on even a 27" screen, when playing any moderately intensive game. I suppose it's because your eyes have to move more to reach one end of the screen from the other. I don't think I could stand a 32" screen, even at 4K.

Yes, I am aware of the MST requirement for this one, but I don't think it's much of an issue as long as future NVIDIA/AMD driver updates don't break it tongue.gif
In my case it's just price, and the uncertainty around input lag which make me a little hesitant to grab one. From here, it doesn't look like a comparable monitor or even panel is coming any time soon though.
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Hi all - I've been interested in this monitor, but it's really hard to find a decently in-depth review. I'm convinced that it looks amazing for general use, but I'm also trying to see how capable it is when it comes to gaming, which is what I'd be using it for about half the time. I'd also be downsizing from a 27" 1440p screen - and honestly, I prefer a 24" screen.

Of particular interest is input lag. I've read the hardware.info review in which they state the monitor has zero input lag, but I find this hard to believe. I found another review that suggests the input lag is closer to 40-60ms, which is also kinda hard to believe. Neither one stated the method they used to measure it, so I'm wondering if anyone has a clear answer on the subject. I've read that the response times are within an acceptable range for 60hz, but I do play some faster-paced games where I notice the ~17ms input lag with my current monitor.

Also, has anyone tried running this at 1920x1080? I've read that the scaler doesn't work properly with this resolution, which causes text and such to look crappy. One would think this is really simple to implement, using 4 pixels for every 1 pixel in the signal, but apparently not?

I wonder if there will be any other 24" 4K monitors at a cheaper price this year, or at all. Apparently there is another panel coming in like 6 months, but it seems that mostly everyone is looking for giant 4K monitors.

I have not heard of any other 24 inch 4k screens, I think this is the only one that will be made. The rest of the ones coming out in Q3 that were at CES are all 27 inch which seems much more suited to 4k then 24.
 
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Indeed. I've also seen people complain that you won't be able to see the pixels at this size/density, like that's a bad thing! I find that I get eye strain too easily on even a 27" screen, when playing any moderately intensive game. I suppose it's because your eyes have to move more to reach one end of the screen from the other. I don't think I could stand a 32" screen, even at 4K.

Yes, I am aware of the MST requirement for this one, but I don't think it's much of an issue as long as future NVIDIA/AMD driver updates don't break it tongue.gif
In my case it's just price, and the uncertainty around input lag which make me a little hesitant to grab one. From here, it doesn't look like a comparable monitor or even panel is coming any time soon though.

I think I personally would prefer a bit lower ppi (i.e., slightly larger screen at high resolutions) - granted I do not have all that good eyes apparently. I just got my three ipad screen project mounted up properly and I find such high ppi a bit inconvenient for general usage. Sure, it's damn sharp, but I have to increase default font sizes slightly to avoid excessive eye strain. That is this previously mentioned screen array with 4608x2048, approx 21'' screen about 30 cm from my eyes.

Dont know, perhaps I'm just not used to it, as I'm used to approx 23'' 1080p screens about 90 cm from me (should be roughly similar ppi per degree as this one in my face). But it feels like my eyes have a bit harder time focusing so close to my face, looking at approx 1 meter kinda feels more "natural" or less straining for me. Or it might be my glasses making it a bit harder. Have slightly cylindrical lenses and that might make it a bit awkward to use something so close to your eye's dunno.

I think for most people something in the ballpark of 30..32'' will be the sweet spot at 4K reso. That would translate roughly to ~80 cm optimal viewing distance with 20/20 vision.
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I think I personally would prefer a bit lower ppi (i.e., slightly larger screen at high resolutions) - granted I do not have all that good eyes apparently. I just got my three ipad screen project mounted up properly and I find such high ppi a bit inconvenient for general usage. Sure, it's damn sharp, but I have to increase default font sizes slightly to avoid excessive eye strain. That is this previously mentioned screen array with 4608x2048, approx 21'' screen about 30 cm from my eyes.

Dont know, perhaps I'm just not used to it, as I'm used to approx 23'' 1080p screens about 90 cm from me (should be roughly similar ppi per degree as this one in my face). But it feels like my eyes have a bit harder time focusing so close to my face, looking at approx 1 meter kinda feels more "natural" or less straining for me. Or it might be my glasses making it a bit harder. Have slightly cylindrical lenses and that might make it a bit awkward to use something so close to your eye's dunno.

I think for most people something in the ballpark of 30..32'' will be the sweet spot at 4K reso. That would translate roughly to ~80 cm optimal viewing distance with 20/20 vision.

I would sorta 2nd that, just using 1440p at 27', i could only imagine 4k at a small screen. 30"-32" may be the new "standard" for a good 4k monitor.
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i need to know, does the HDMI port of this monitor have good scaling? I plan to play Donkey Kong Tropical Freeze on Wii U, and it should just work plugged into the HDMI, right?

come to think of it, who plays Wii U on a 4k monitor, that's very rare really.
     
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Lol owning a 4k monitor alone is rare, but adding in the Wii U? You are probably the only one. I'd love to see how it looks though.
   
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Lol owning a 4k monitor alone is rare, but adding in the Wii U? You are probably the only one. I'd love to see how it looks though.

I thought so. I should do a video on how it scales the Wii u on the 4K monitor.
     
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How bout some original 480p Wii games as well?rolleyes.gif Might as well go for the whole shabang
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How bout some original 480p Wii games as well?rolleyes.gif Might as well go for the whole shabang

How that will be even scaled to 4K remains to be seen. My Wii U should come in Wed or Thurs, so we'll see.
     
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