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Hi all - I've been interested in this monitor, but it's really hard to find a decently in-depth review. I'm convinced that it looks amazing for general use, but I'm also trying to see how capable it is when it comes to gaming, which is what I'd be using it for about half the time. I'd also be downsizing from a 27" 1440p screen - and honestly, I prefer a 24" screen.

Of particular interest is input lag. I've read the hardware.info review in which they state the monitor has zero input lag, but I find this hard to believe. I found another review that suggests the input lag is closer to 40-60ms, which is also kinda hard to believe. Neither one stated the method they used to measure it, so I'm wondering if anyone has a clear answer on the subject. I've read that the response times are within an acceptable range for 60hz, but I do play some faster-paced games where I notice the ~17ms input lag with my current monitor.

Also, has anyone tried running this at 1920x1080? I've read that the scaler doesn't work properly with this resolution, which causes text and such to look crappy. One would think this is really simple to implement, using 4 pixels for every 1 pixel in the signal, but apparently not?

I wonder if there will be any other 24" 4K monitors at a cheaper price this year, or at all. Apparently there is another panel coming in like 6 months, but it seems that mostly everyone is looking for giant 4K monitors.

Owning this monitor, I don't care much for it for gaming. Games just can't realize such a high PPI IMO. A lot of detail is wasted in games. This monitor really shines for text clarity, desktop, web browser use etc. I think the ROG Swift will be a better gaming display.
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Owning this monitor, I don't care much for it for gaming. Games just can't realize such a high PPI IMO. A lot of detail is wasted in games. This monitor really shines for text clarity, desktop, web browser use etc. I think the ROG Swift will be a better gaming display.

I have been on my latest project just few days (the 3x ipad3 retina screens in 3x1 eyefinity at 4608x2048 approx 22'' array) but during the brief round of games I found that in my opinion such high ppi feels better for games than it does for work/text stuff for me. Granted it's relatively fresh impressing so it remains to be seen how I feel once the novelty wears off. And ofc my set is at 60 Hz although I'm personally relatively insensitive in regards of frame rates (basically I'm happy usually with anything above 30 or so). It's just my perspective, I do not own that particular screen myself so cant comment on that one.

Edit: I should add that what I said depends on game as well ofc. That is on assumption that game is coded in a way that allows its UI to scale well on any resolution. Not all games are like that.
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Now i just noticed something... 4K became boring... well, only in BF4. Some games just don't exploit the resolution that great.

I would say only really artistic games or at least games with a more creative art style benefits more from 4K than plain old reality as depicted in BF4. Plus, you're always running around, not exactly looking at details really.

Something like Witcher 2 or modded Skyrim really brings out 4K IMO.

1440p !20hz is better suited for that, for competitive FPSes.
     
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Now i just noticed something... 4K became boring... well, only in BF4. Some games just don't exploit the resolution that great.

I would say only really artistic games or at least games with a more creative art style benefits more from 4K than plain old reality as depicted in BF4. Plus, you're always running around, not exactly looking at details really.

Something like Witcher 2 or modded Skyrim really brings out 4K IMO.

1440p !20hz is better suited for that, for competitive FPSes.

"Boring" would not be exactly the term I would use smile.gif It is still better, in my opinion, than going at it at some lower resolution as long as you can maintain frame rate so the experience is smooth. In my opinion higher resolution does provide better immersion in the game than, say, lower resolution with AA. Real pixels just, dunno, "feel" better for me than "virtual" ones. What I'm trying to say, I guess, is that with frame-rate and GFX settings being the same it feels better on 4K than, say, 1440p with 2x AA or 1080p with 4x AA. What I can fully agree, though, is that in competitive shooter it can be hard to spot the difference between, say "medium" and "high" settings when you are actually playing the game. In the case of this particular display, though, I think that 30 Hz kinda cripples it as far as competitive shooters go (like BF4 should be). I do not own BF4 - the opinion is based on Metro 2033 where I did a "blind test" a while ago, letting someone else to set the GFX settings and then doing a short play session trying to tell if I was actually feeling any different. For me the difference was pretty hard even between DX 9 mode low settings and DX 11 mode medium settings, not to mention between high and medium, obviously the difference between physical resolutions is a lot more obvious at a glance.
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Yes just turn it to dx9 and my laptop ran metro 2033 really well, could not see much difference. It also run Crysis 1/warhead ok'ish. Drops to 15/18 when trowing a grade through. But how does these games look in 4k? The plants I mean:). I think future games will take advantage of the resolution, but not so much in those dark games.

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Yes just turn it to dx9 and my laptop ran metro 2033 really well, could not see much difference. It also run Crysis 1/warhead ok'ish. Drops to 15/18 when trowing a grade through. But how does these games look in 4k? The plants I mean:) . I think future games will take advantage of the resolution, but not so much in those dark games.

About how things look at high resolution - usually things scale pretty well in my opinion. I mean you can get almost all engines nowadays run at resolutions above 2560x1600 without problems (UT3 engine games often need a visit to config files to get working properly). With 4K being also 16:9 practically everything should work well out of the box. Some issues can be had with eyefinity setups ofc if the UI is done in a stupid way assuming that everyone will be either 4:3, 16:10 or 16:9 aspect ratio (like it's done in some UT3 engine based games).

Crysis is not particularly dark.


I believe this was with these settings as this is pretty recent screenshot.

Metro 2033 is to a large part indeed pretty dark tunnel crawler. If I remember correct these should be with DX9 low, DX 11 medium and high.




These are 5400x1920.
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Is this monitor 60hz ?
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Is this monitor 60hz ?

Yes, by enabling MST mode in the monitor itself.
     
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Now i just noticed something... 4K became boring... well, only in BF4. Some games just don't exploit the resolution that great.

I would say only really artistic games or at least games with a more creative art style benefits more from 4K than plain old reality as depicted in BF4. Plus, you're always running around, not exactly looking at details really.

Something like Witcher 2 or modded Skyrim really brings out 4K IMO.

1440p !20hz is better suited for that, for competitive FPSes.

4K didn't become "boring".

To me 4K was never about the high PPI. 27 inches @ 2560x1440 is more than sharp enough at 108 PPI. Maybe 120 PPI would make things look bettter but the 27 inch 4K monitor with 163 PPI is truly necessary. To me, 4K was always about the ability to have a 32 inch or a 34 inch monitor while still having a small bump in PPI. For example:

A 34 inch monitor at 4K will have a PPI of 129 which is like having a 15 inch 1080p monitor. Actually, it's exactly the same as having four 15 inch 1080p monitors. If you've owned a 1440p 27 inch monitor, imagine that but a bit better. Isn't that good enough?

I own a retina macbook pro that has a PPI of 220. While it's a beautiful screen and good for upclose laptop usage, for a desktop, I think 32 or 34 inches is much more useful especially when it's 3 feet away from you. At least that's my take on things. thumb.gif



EDIT: Imagine a 4K curved 36 inch monitor. Who needs surround anymore!
Edited by Syan48306 - 3/5/14 at 9:12am
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4K didn't become "boring".

To me 4K was never about the high PPI. 27 inches @ 2560x1440 is more than sharp enough at 108 PPI. Maybe 120 PPI would make things look bettter but the 27 inch 4K monitor with 163 PPI is truly necessary. To me, 4K was always about the ability to have a 32 inch or a 34 inch monitor while still having a small bump in PPI. For example:

A 34 inch monitor at 4K will have a PPI of 129 which is like having a 15 inch 1080p monitor. Actually, it's exactly the same as having four 15 inch 1080p monitors. If you've owned a 1440p 27 inch monitor, imagine that but a bit better. Isn't that good enough?

I own a retina macbook pro that has a PPI of 220. While it's a beautiful screen and good for upclose laptop usage, for a desktop, I think 32 or 34 inches is much more useful especially when it's 3 feet away from you. At least that's my take on things. thumb.gif



EDIT: Imagine a 4K curved 36 inch monitor. Who needs surround anymore!

Speaking of 21:9 screen...

There might be a 3840x1440 monitor, but im hoping for a 5120x2160 resolution, yes, i made that one up but because...


3840x1440 is not true 4K since it cuts away bottom of it to get that wide ratio, whereas my made-up resolution of 5120x2160 adds to the existing 4K to make the 21:9 ratio.

Basically, it's 5K then, any monitor like this?

EDIT: Turns out 5120x2160 IS the resolution, and there's a huge LG TV that has this ratio already: LG 105UC9

Way too expensive over a monitor though.
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