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The Wii U obviously doesn't do 4K, it does have a 1080p setting though.

What i think happens is:

The Wii U sends the upscaled 1080p signal to the monitor (since i don't think the Wii U is running anything at native 1080p), and the monitor upscales that same signal, taking 4 pixels of the monitor into 1 pixel for the 1080p stream.

I say it's not bad at all, the scaling from the monitor itself.
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Speaking of 21:9 screen...

There might be a 3840x1440 monitor, but im hoping for a 5120x2160 resolution, yes, i made that one up but because...


3840x1440 is not true 4K since it cuts away bottom of it to get that wide ratio, whereas my made-up resolution of 5120x2160 adds to the existing 4K to make the 21:9 ratio.

Basically, it's 5K then, any monitor like this?

EDIT: Turns out 5120x2160 IS the resolution, and there's a huge LG TV that has this ratio already: LG 105UC9

Way too expensive over a monitor though.

Human eye "resolution" is supposed to be approx 7600x5000 pixels, approx 120 degree horizontal and approx 90 degree vertical coverage (in the area where humans have binocular vision) - that number is based on "average" human and is deduced from the density of light sensitive cells in human eye retina central part (where they are the most dense) - reality is ofc a bit more complex but that is one of the numbers that could be taken as rough "rule of thumb". At higher pixel density the pixels would end up exiting the same cell in human eye and thus would "average out". More precisely if image is composed of black and white lines then at higher density one would see uniform gray image.

Given that this 5k x 2k is not bad at all. It is roughly in the same ballpark as 5x1 portrait eyefinity with 1080p screens (5400x1920) just without bezels.
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I am about to purchase this monitor for general desktop usage.

There are reports on YT of desktop windows tearing when moved, on some 4k monitors using MST. Has anyone noticed this on the 2414Q?
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I am about to purchase this monitor for general desktop usage.

There are reports on YT of desktop windows tearing when moved, on some 4k monitors using MST. Has anyone noticed this on the 2414Q?

No, never seen it on my UP2414Q.

However, if you turn off the monitor then back on, all windows you have open will reshuffle to the top-left corner and minimized. It's a quirk of MST.
     
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To me 4K was never about the high PPI. 27 inches @ 2560x1440 is more than sharp enough at 108 PPI. Maybe 120 PPI would make things look bettter but the 27 inch 4K monitor with 163 PPI is truly necessary. To me, 4K was always about the ability to have a 32 inch or a 34 inch monitor while still having a small bump in PPI.!

You hit it on the nail for me too. I was excited with the announcement of the 32" 4K monitors which first came out until the $3,500 price was announced along with it. These 28" monitors seem like a "meh" upgrade over a 27" 1440p screen. I'm not sure if the extra 1" is worth having to double my GPUs just for a bit crisper visuals. A 32" 4k monitor would have been the dream upgrade for me but not dumb enough to pay those prices.
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You hit it on the nail for me too. I was excited with the announcement of the 32" 4K monitors which first came out until the $3,500 price was announced along with it. These 28" monitors seem like a "meh" upgrade over a 27" 1440p screen. I'm not sure if the extra 1" is worth having to double my GPUs just for a bit crisper visuals. A 32" 4k monitor would have been the dream upgrade for me but not dumb enough to pay those prices.
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They've fallen in price a lot. I've seen the Dell 32" 4K for as low as $1800 a few weeks ago. But still not worth buying due to MST issues. I bet in another year or so we'll see single tile IPS 4K displays at around $1500.
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Well, I ended up ordering one of these. But I can't seem to bring up the OSD menu, which prevents me from enabling DisplayPort 1.2 mode! The process for unlocking the menu doesn't seem to do anything - the bottom button lights up when you press any of the other ones. Has anyone encountered this before?

Pretty sure I either got a dead one or the monitor firmware is to blame - it's a January 2014 model. But I thought I'd check to see if there is anything simple I might have overlooked first tongue.gif

PS: The display looks pretty fantastic otherwise. Fonts look just as sharp with ClearType turned off! The only downside is the contrast ratio, which seems to be on the low side. The increased pixel density makes quite a difference, especially with text and still images.
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Speaking of 21:9 screen...

There might be a 3840x1440 monitor, but im hoping for a 5120x2160 resolution, yes, i made that one up but because...


3840x1440 is not true 4K since it cuts away bottom of it to get that wide ratio, whereas my made-up resolution of 5120x2160 adds to the existing 4K to make the 21:9 ratio.

Basically, it's 5K then, any monitor like this?

EDIT: Turns out 5120x2160 IS the resolution, and there's a huge LG TV that has this ratio already: LG 105UC9

Way too expensive over a monitor though.

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Given that this 5k x 2k is not bad at all. It is roughly in the same ballpark as 5x1 portrait eyefinity with 1080p screens (5400x1920) just without bezels.

I would take those numbers with a huge grain of salt. Playing with my Retina Mini I can still see aliasing from four feet away (just barely). The extra sense of texture is amazing.
I'm definitely going to be looking for 8K resolution in monitors and screens of all sizes.

Edit: Just looking around at my 27" monitor, I guess the "7600x5000" numbers could be about right. I can't actually see all four corners in detail all at once. The thing is, I still want to have all that space in front of me rendered at the level that matches the best part of my eye for when I do look at it.
The only way I can think of getting around this is a VR set with a moving screen that is synchronised with your eyeballs.
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I would take those numbers with a huge grain of salt. Playing with my Retina Mini I can still see aliasing from four feet away (just barely). The extra sense of texture is amazing.
I'm definitely going to be looking for 8K resolution in monitors and screens of all sizes.

Edit: Just looking around at my 27" monitor, I guess the "7600x5000" numbers could be about right. I can't actually see all four corners in detail all at once. The thing is, I still want to have all that space in front of me rendered at the level that matches the best part of my eye for when I do look at it.
The only way I can think of getting around this is a VR set with a moving screen that is synchronised with your eyeballs.

These numbers are based on physical limitations of the human eye. If you are "seeing" something it must be either some interpolation effect in your brain or you have substantially "above average" eyes with different optical properties of the lens and/or substantially smaller light sensitive cells in the retina. The latter is actually quite possible as humans are different and the 7'' mini screen is supposed to become retina at ~48 cm for "average" human, so we would not be talking some anomaly in several hundred percent here and "seeing barely" something is within reasonable distance of the average still. At the mentioned resolutions (actually looking at black and white lines next to each other) the light from adjacent regions will end up exciting the same light sensitive cell in your eye, so instead of seeing black and white lines you end up seeing uniform gray image. That out of the way giving just one single number is ofc oversimplification. For a start the density of light sensitive cells in the eye is not uniform (these numbers assume the highest density which is present in the central part of the retina on "average" human) and ofc there is no such thing as "average" human. Plus the effective resolution you can see depends on a lot other factors as well like contrast, colors, light intensity and ofc on the distance of the medium (there is actually some difference between watching a given resolution screen at, say 30 cm and 90 cm so that both screen cover the same FoV [i.e., resolution is the same but the screen at 90 cm is larger than the screen at 30 cm]).

I can't claim to have particularly good eyesight myself. I can't tell the difference in blind test (i.e., I do not know the settings and try to quess them by just looking at the image) between no AA, x2 AA and x16 AA at normal 1080p 23'' screen at 90 cm. Have also three ipad 3 screens rigged up as the PC screens and I must say the increased ppi is sure pretty damn nice to look, although in windows environment you will need to mount the things basically in your face as some content does not scale well (in win 7). But indeed, I must agree that for the right content high ppi is indeed damn amazing.


I'm using the "retina" screens btw mounted on VESA stand approx 30 cm from my eyes. For reference these 3 screens form a ~20'' array with 4608x2048 resolution.

BTW I'm not arguing against 8K screens. I'm pretty much resolution guy the more pixels I get the happier I tend to be. Even though at some point I acknowledge that I might not be able to "use" all the pixels simultaneously, but I still pretty much would like to have them.
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