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Wccftech just bombed us with two new Eye openers about Kaveri.

The Good news is it will apparently be directly competitive with an i5 4670k.

The bad news is only with HSA features turned on.

Quote:
Kozak clarified that Kaveri should only be equivalent in terms of combined CPU and GPU compute power. If one measures x86 performance on its own, Kozak said, “we’ll lose.” However, Kozak expects Kaveri’s integrated graphics, bolstered with Mantle support, to be better than the latest version of Intel’s HD Graphics. TechReport

The news on performance is still cryptic, but one may gain a better understanding why we aren't getting an FX Steamrollerchip as without HSA the gain simply wasn't big enough.

Price looks promising if inferred quotes about being 1/3 of a 4770k are true, as the other rumour in the article states it may come in under $150 bucks.
Article below.

http://wccftech.com/amd-kaveri-apu-x86-performance-intel-haswellwell-lose-flagship-apu-cost-150/


So basically as long as HSA is heavily adopted quickly (key word being quickly) AMD seems to have pulled off quite a jump, as no one expected much better than Sandy Bridge performance out of this thing.

If it isn'tisn't though it's more of an evolution and most likely the naysayers are more right than wrong.

After reading this, I think now more than ever we need some legit benches to leak
Edited by yawa - 11/30/13 at 1:26am
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Kozak clarified that Kaveri should only be equivalent in terms of combined CPU and GPU compute power. If one measures x86 performance on its own, Kozak said, “we’ll lose.” However, Kozak expects Kaveri’s integrated graphics, bolstered with Mantle support, to be better than the latest version of Intel’s HD Graphics.

Well, that's what everyone expected for a long time, isn't it? Kaveri has a bigger focus on being an APU than i5 does, so it wins with integrated and loses with discrete. Worse CPU, better igpu - nobody expected 2 module steamroller to be wrecking i5 in terms of gaming, video encoding etc, but it's gonna be a value offering against buying a whole i5 and discrete gpu
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I agree completely, but it still leaves some room regarding HSA as he is clearly implying that in properly coded HSA apps this thing is going to sit right next to an i5 Haswell.

Considering we don't know what is and what isn't going to be HSA friendly going forward, makes this a frustratingly cryptic claim.

I will say though, I think this really is the big answer as to why we won't see these processors without some form of iGPU attachedattached to it going forward, as AMD will want to have every reason possible on the table to convince devs to get used to coding for proper HSA threading so they can to close the gap in performance with Intel.
Edited by yawa - 11/30/13 at 1:36am
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Where did you get the HSA connection from ?

He was just comparing CPU + GPU compute power together in the traditional fashion, HSA won't need to be leveraged in order to get that. Still, for the alleged price of around $137, this is more evolution than anything else. 20% improvement for the CPU, 30% for the GPU, plus a modern platform with PCIe 3.0 lanes. They have a lot of room for improvement on the CPU side, but GPU improvements probably need more memory bandwidth - more memory channels à la Xbox One, a lot of on-die GPU cache, à la Intel, or GDDR5 VRAM on the motherboard à la PS4 or even GDDR5 slots.
 
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I agree completely, but it still leaves some room regarding HSA as he is clearly implying that in properly coded HSA apps this thing is going to sit right next to an i5 Haswell.

Considering we don't know what is and what isn't going to be HSA friendly going forward, makes this a frustratingly cryptic claim.

Indeed, monopoly on singlethreaded performance is annoying
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I agree completely, but it still leaves some room regarding HSA as he is clearly implying that in properly coded HSA apps this thing is going to sit right next to an i5 Haswell.

Wut !! Only i5 ?
With proper HSA support Kaveri should be on par or faster than Hexa Core Haswell i7.

I am not joking.

AVX (not AVX2) was already enabled with Intel counterparts.

http://www.guru3d.com/articles_pages/amd_a10_6800k_review_apu,14.html
Edited by sumitlian - 11/30/13 at 2:20am
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I find it hard to believe... But if it's true I'll be one happy man smile.gif
   
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Wut !! Only i5 ?
With proper HSA support Kaveri should be on par or faster than Hexa Core Haswell i7.

I am not joking.

AVX (not AVX2) was already enabled with Intel counterparts.

http://www.guru3d.com/articles_pages/amd_a10_6800k_review_apu,14.html

Pointless comparison. No one is going to buy an extreme edition without a good gpu for gpgpu workloads.
 
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Pointless comparison. No one is going to buy an extreme edition without a good gpu for gpgpu workloads.

It's not really pointless, at all.

It shows what the chip can do, wether is a 99.9% market scenario case, or not.

Much like the discussion we had going on about a 12GB Titan being pointless or not. It is just as pointless as this.
   
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Pointless comparison. No one is going to buy an extreme edition without a good gpu for gpgpu workloads.

Pointless comment !

Kaveri + good GPU will even better than Extreme edition + good GPU on that HSA/OpenCL workload.
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