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Yes I do in fact. MS has since changed its policy regarding limited activations and retail copies of Vista, however:

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1. Self-limiting software, or Mandatory Activation. "Your right to use the software after the time specified in the installation process is limited unless it is activated. … You will not be able to continue using the software after that time if you do not activate it." Moreover, "[s]ome changes to your computer components or the software may require you to reactivate the software." In order to use Microsoft Vista, you must consent to communication to Microsoft of information about the software and the device on which you have installed it. If you don't do so in time, your software will begin to degrade in function.

2. Vanishing functionality through invalidation. "The software will from time to time validate the software, update or require download of the validation feature of the software. … [if validation fails] you may not be able to use or continue to use some of the features of the software." Again, your computer must make periodic (period unspecified) contact with the Microsoft mothership if you want to continue to enjoy what you thought you paid for. Microsoft, of course, disclaims any liability for the consequences if their servers fail or mistakenly deny you validation.

3. Removal of media capabilities. "When you download licenses for protected content, you agree that Microsoft may include a revocation list with the licenses." "[C]ontent owners may ask Microsoft to revoke the software's ability to use WMDRM [Windows Media digital rights management] to play or copy protected content." In other words, one movie or music file may take away your ability to play another, if the content owner (not the computer owner) chooses to cut back the Windows Media Player's features. Don't like the reports that Creative is removing radio recording functions from its MP3 players, under music industry pressure? Prepare for that kind of feature flux to be routine in Vista -- you've agreed to it in the license.

4. Problem-solving prohibited. "You may not work around any technical limitations in the software." Microsoft might be referring to anticircumvention of technical protection measures here, but since it's often hard to tell the difference, from the user's perspective, between a TPM and a bug, this reads as a prohibition on user debugging and problem-solving. After all, down-rezzing HD content or refusing to allow users to copy quotes from an e-book don't strike most people as wanted features. Can you work around a document's failure to save properly?

5. Limited mobility. "The first user of the software may reassign the license to another device one time." If you upgrade your machines more frequently than you care to change operating systems, you'll just have to pay again. Don't worry about this applying too frequently, though, because most OEMs will probably keep bundling Windows with their hardware, thanks to Microsoft's pricing encouragement, and Microsoft won't offer refunds if you don't like the terms on those OEM bundles.

6. One transfer only. "The first user of the software may make a one time transfer of the software, and this agreement, directly to a third party…. [T]he other party must agree that this agreement applies to the transfer and use of the software." You can give your old computer to Dad, but if he wants to give his older computer to the neighborhood community center, they'll have to find their own operating system (may I recommend Ubuntu?).

Bonus. MPEG-4 Visual Standard

NOTICE ABOUT THE MPEG-4 VISUAL STANDARD. This software includes MPEG-4 visual decoding technology. MPEG LA, L.L.C. requires this notice:
USE OF THIS PRODUCT IN ANY MANNER THAT COMPLIES WITH THE MPEG-4 VISUAL STANDARD IS PROHIBITED, EXCEPT FOR USE DIRECTLY RELATED TO (A) DATA OR INFORMATION (i) GENERATED BY AND OBTAINED WITHOUT CHARGE FROM A CONSUMER NOT THEREBY ENGAGED IN A BUSINESS ENTERPRISE, AND (ii) FOR PERSONAL USE ONLY; AND (B ) OTHER USES SPECIFICALLY AND SEPARATELY LICENSED BY MPEG LA, L.L.C.


Users never asked for these impossible limitations. Microsoft decided unilaterally to add them, claiming it could abrogate personal ownership, fair use, and first sale rights because "The software is licensed, not sold." If Microsoft faced real market competition on the home desktop, users could vote with their wallets, but anticompetitive practices and network effects make Microsoft a like-it-or-not proposition for most users.
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post #32 of 40
That's the Geniune Windows Validation tool not the Windows Activation. It's true any time you download updates for microsoft products the Validation tool checks to see if your legit or not.

If you are legit there is no problem.
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That's the Geniune Windows Validation tool not the Windows Activation.
I don't care if you call it Microsoft Wants to Know What You Are Doing With Your OS Tool [MWKWYDWYOST], it is the same thing. They are requiring you to periodically validate your OS with the Microsoft Servers.

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If you are legit there is no problem.
No, you see there is a problem. If I pay $200-$400 for a complete version of a software, I do not and should not have to validate the software through MS to ensure that it runs. If I want to take my new Vista OS and install it on a computer without internet access, I should be able to do that. But you know what? Your OS will stop working, because it can't validate. MS has no right to be monitoring your activity in the background of your OS.
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I have never been asked for activation though.
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I have never been asked for activation though.
I doesn't ask you to activate. It does it without your permission and without your knowledge. Who knows what else MS is learning from that activation?
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You can use Vista without internet access. I ran it on a AMD machine with no internet for months. I just don't see where your getting this crazy information from.

I don't see what's wrong with wanting to make sure that upgrades to products are not being used to upgrade pirated products. All the information they gather is non-unique and cannot be reverse engineered to show your exact hardware or anything. They aren't, for instance, keeping track of your Naruto Hentai collection or any sort of thing like that.

Show me the exact Microsoft document you're getting any of this from. I don't think Microsoft would call themselves a "mothership" so I'm assuming what you posted earlier was some sort of 'interweb blog' of sorts.
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You can use Vista without internet access. I ran it on a AMD machine with no internet for months. I just don't see where your getting this crazy information from.
I showed you exactly what the Window Vista EULA said. It isn't crazy info.

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I don't see what's wrong with wanting to make sure that upgrades to products are not being used to upgrade pirated products. All the information they gather is non-unique and cannot be reverse engineered to show your exact hardware or anything. They aren't, for instance, keeping track of your Naruto Hentai collection or any sort of thing like that.
Because MS customers are not 6 or 7 year old Kindergarten students who need to be monitored. They have [or will have] paid for a product, and should receive that product without MS watching over them. MS can combat Pirates all they want, but they should NOT do it the way they are. The full release version of Vista will have limited functionality if you use it without internet.

If MS wants to prevent piracy they can do it very simply. They sell Vista for $20-$40 and just have a monthly subscription ($5-$15 a month). Just like you log onto your email or other internet programs, when you turn on your computer, you will log on with MS's servers. With that system, they now have a right to validate you system when you log on. If you want to use Vista on a system without the internet, you buy a special version of Vista that is designed specifically for non-internet use.

That system would completely prevent piracy, and it would make it easier for a family to use Vista on all of their computers. You can have family plans and other services to provide to Vista to families and small business.

For Example (Using Vista Home Premium)

1 Copy - $9.99 / month
4 Copies - $24.99 / month (now families don't need to take out a second mortgage for their OS)
6 copies - $34.99 / month

The system would work great IMHO.
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What you posted is:

1. Not the EULA
2. Out of Date

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If you want to use Vista on a system without the internet, you buy a special version of Vista that is designed specifically for non-internet use.

That system would completely prevent piracy,
Except everyone would copy the 'special' version and never sign up for a monthly subscription.

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Originally Posted by Vista HOME, HOME PREMIUM, and ULTIMATE EULA
4. MANDATORY ACTIVATION.
Activation associates the use of the software with a specific device. During activation, the software will send information about the software and the device to Microsoft. This information includes the version, language and product key of the software, the Internet protocol address of the device, and
information derived from the hardware configuration of the device. For more information, see http://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?linkid=69497. By using the software, you consent to the transmission of this information. Before you activate, you have the right to use the version of the software installed during the installation process. Your right to use the software after the time specified in the installation process is limited unless it is activated. This is to prevent its unlicensed use. You will not be able to continue using the software after that time if you do not activate it. If the device is connected to the Internet, the software may automatically connect to Microsoft for activation. You can also activate the software manually by Internet or telephone. If you do so, Internet and telephone service charges may apply. Some changes to your computer components or the software may require you to reactivate the software. The software will remind you to activate it until you do.
Nothing surpising here that's been done since Windows XP

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5. VALIDATION.
a. The software will from time to time validate the software, update or require download of the validation feature of the software. Validation verifies that the software has been activated and is properly licensed. Validation also permits you to use certain features of the software or to obtain additional benefits. For more information, see http://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?linkid=39157.
b. During a validation check, the software will send information about the software and the device to Microsoft. This information includes the version and product key of the software, and the Internet protocol address of the device. Microsoft does not use the information to identify or contact you. By using the software, you consent to the transmission of this information. For
more information about validation and what is sent during a validation check, see http://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?linkid=69500.
c. If, after a validation check, the software is found not to be properly licensed, the functionality of the software may be affected. For example, you may
· need to reactivate the software, or
· receive reminders to obtain a properly licensed copy of the software,
or you may not be able to:
· use or continue to use some of the features of the software, or
· obtain certain updates or upgrades from Microsoft.
d. You may only obtain updates or upgrades for the software from Microsoft or authorized sources.
For more information on obtaining updates from authorized sources see http://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?linkid=69502.
See you don't need to validate if you don't connect to the internet. It's used mostly for upgrades and all they are checking to see is if you're legit.
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Except everyone would copy the 'special' version and never sign up for a monthly subscription.
Not if the non-internet version will not connect to the internet....
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Now you're just getting silly.
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