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How about toshlink for video or bust. electricty>Light
    
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Why aren't TV manufacturers implementing DP into their TV's, especially 4K ones, apart from Panasonic? Really disappointing that none of the 4K TV's shown at CES 2014 is going to implement DP into their TV's, why? I would like to finally see 60Hz on 4K because 30Hz is just terrible, especially for gaming.

DP is a "computer standard" and they want to use hdmi to remain compatable with current dvd/bluray/hdtv stuff. Hdmi 2.0 can do 4k 60hz.
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How about toshlink for video or bust. electricty>Light

Converting electricity to light and back is a waste of time. Copper has lower latency in the short range.

Besides that, optic's main selling point is extreme distance and immunity to electrican noise, neither of which applies in a home theater setup.

Oh, and toshlink has a rather pathetic bandwidth of 125mbps... DP is at 32.4gbps with rev 1.3, nearly 260 times faster. So... Ya.
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DP is a "computer standard" and they want to use hdmi to remain compatable with current dvd/bluray/hdtv stuff. Hdmi 2.0 can do 4k 60hz.
Converting electricity to light and back is a waste of time. Copper has lower latency in the short range.

Besides that, optic's main selling point is extreme distance and immunity to electrican noise, neither of which applies in a home theater setup.

Oh, and toshlink has a rather pathetic bandwidth of 125mbps... DP is at 32.4gbps with rev 1.3, nearly 260 times faster. So... Ya.
Tis was a joke i just like fiber optic. Seen internet speeds through fiber optic max speed yet? Its in the Tb/s
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DP is a "computer standard" and they want to use hdmi to remain compatable with current dvd/bluray/hdtv stuff. Hdmi 2.0 can do 4k 60hz.
Converting electricity to light and back is a waste of time. Copper has lower latency in the short range.

Besides that, optic's main selling point is extreme distance and immunity to electrican noise, neither of which applies in a home theater setup.

Oh, and toshlink has a rather pathetic bandwidth of 125mbps... DP is at 32.4gbps with rev 1.3, nearly 260 times faster. So... Ya.
Tis was a joke i just like fiber optic. Seen internet speeds through fiber optic max speed yet? Its in the Tb/s

And you think the costs for a controller cost what? And you think the copper on the each end can get that data how? "Liking it" is nice, but please at least begin to understand what is behind it before touting speeds and treating it like god send.

The time it takes to translate data from electrical pules to light is not instant, nor is the time required to change it back. Both add a considerable amount of latency.

Unlike copper (COAX), the signal can not be split or the cable extended without use of a repeater, which has to again change the signal from optic to electric to optic again, adding yet more latency.

Even a standard 4gbps Fibre controller is in the hundreds of dollars. 8gbps, 10gbps, 12gbps and 24gbps are even more so, stretching into the thousands. For each side.

Switches available to handle such loads are in the thousands of dollars each for anything worth anything at all.

Cables themselves cost far more simply due to the level of purity required for it to retain it's signal strength and speed. In addition, the cables are also far more fragile (duh, it's made of glass), and very difficult if not impossible to repair.

And of course those speeds you're thinking of have absolutely no place at all in anything a consumer will ever see in the next 10-20 years. Those are backbone speeds used as trunk lines between ISP centers to handle the data between major hubs. That is not "Internet speeds", that is networking speeds, as they are very very much intranet only.

The optimal setup is to run fibre as the primary backbone, often port channeled to increase bandwidth without the need for stronger controllers as the cost for the stronger controllers doesn't increase linearly, and depending on service style either run weaker fibre* or split off to Coaxial copper** to the regional switch boxes, which again depending on the service go to the houses via some form of copper, be it phone line, CAT5, COAX, whatever.

*Internet only service, requiring only multidirectional bandwidth and no broadcast-like services.

** TV and Internet services such as Comcast, where much of the bandwidth is used to stream a constant service, IE thousands of TV channels.

How far into the "split" they go (ISP center, regional center, switch box in someone's back yard) before switching off to copper would depend on how the area is laid out and how many people are dependent on each stage of the split, as well as the service style they provide. Regardless, providing fibre itself directly to the home, especially with all the dangers (landscaping, stupid users, etc) and costs (Cable, controller, etc) is not smart.

I honestly do not mean to be a jerk or anything, but it drives me nuts when people think there is one perfect solution. There are benefits and downsides to each (yes I know I only listed the bad for Fibre), and frankly the one you picked is the absolute worst of them all to use in your home. Don't pick favorites, use the tool for the job.
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Actually, fiber optic is very relevant for Displayport. Displayport uses a very weak, packet based signal. Using my 4K monitor at 60 Hz, the longest I could get a standard high quality cable to reliable transmit the signal is only 8-10 feet. The standard doesn't handle transferring high bandwidth very far. So unless your computer is in your immediate vicinity, you can run into issues.

To reach my computer in the other room (about 35 feet), neither a "long haul" 24 gauge DP 1.2 cable nor a powered/repeater cable worked either. I had to go fiber optic:

http://www.gefen.com/kvm/dcable.jsp?prod_id=9070

For high bandwidth uses, there is a complete dead space between 10 feet and 75 feet.
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And then you look at the cost, and consider that that is only for DP 1.2.

Other alternatives, (which are done for HDMI, but not that I've seen for DP) include Display to Ethernet wall jacks, one on either side. (Example) The HDMI one splits into a pair of CAT5e for unknown and unhelpful reasons, but there is no reason it could not be done with DP and a pair of CAT6A or CAT7 10gbps.

Voila, custom-length cable that can handle 10gbps (each) at 100 meters or less.
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I have found some DP Ethernet repeaters/extenders, but none said they could run bandwidth high enough for 4K at 60 Hz which is almost maxing out the DP 1.2 spec.
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I have found some DP Ethernet repeaters/extenders, but none said they could run bandwidth high enough for 4K at 60 Hz which is almost maxing out the DP 1.2 spec.

A pair of Cat6E or CAT7 could do it, but they seem to insist on using the "slow" CAT5e gigabit standard. Which, you're right, is no where near enough. Even with 2-4 lines.

Apparently there was one at CES 2011 that managed to approach 10gbps, but I see no retail evidence.
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Everything is too damn expensive.

If you ask me, the biggest factor for the average gamer (not talking about computer user) is price. The go-to price for a new computer for most people seems to be $1500-$2000 (or €). So 4K will become a standard when you can get a decent set-up and a 4K monitor. Before that, most people will continue using 1080p. Remember guys, this is a forum where people go for very high end components without batting an eyelid. Most people aren't like that. Believe me or not, I was still using an HD3450/Q6600/3Gb RAM set up until September. Of course, now that I have a 7970 I could NEVER go back; my point is that standards become standards when they're affordable.

I think you can already do a 4K setup for 2 grand at adequate performance. Granted, atm the problem is that it would be limited to 30 Hz bcos of the "cheap" 4K screens sticking to HDMI 1.4 atm. Performance wise a single overcloked 7950 can drive 4K resolution in most titles out currently a bit above 30 FPS. As long as you do not dial straight to "Ultra" but apply instead little elbow grease and do the GFX settings manually as you do not want excessive AA at that resolution. At least I do not have any problems driving a resolution which is 25% above 4K from single 7950. Granted I do not have the latest and greatest titles as I do not play BF4.
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looking forward to this.
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