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One thing that i dont understand. WHY leaving "big core" after they did +30% IPC perfromance with steamroller?

Steamroller is still in use and so is Excavator, and presumably everything after that. They aren't (and can't) do away with x86 cores all together, the're just putting in fewer and backing them up with GPU and DSP cores instead.

Unless you mean "Why do away with the 8-core", and the answer for that is the IPC/IPS gains are not exclusive to the FX series. Their updates are still useful in their APUs too.
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post #182 of 200
So there wont be any "BIG core" CPU from AMD in 2014-2015?
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Dunno, AMD is notoriously quiet about products, but from what I've read the excuse is "there's no point in updating until DDR4".

So uh... Eventually I guess?
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^ I don't think anybody said that
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^ I don't think anybody said that

You mean aside from the source of this thread?
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AM3+ Stays For Now: The Time Isn't Right for a Refresh
All these discussion topics aside, we know that FX and AM3+ are here to stay for now. Even with criticism that AM3+ doesn't natively support PCI-e Gen3 interfaces (though the Gen2 x16 slots are often not fully saturated), it doesn't make sense to undergo a platform or chipset revamp right now.

DDR4 looms on the horizon. If AMD were to release a new platform implementing modern interfaces (and with it, a new line of boards), users upgrading would be caught in a "DDR trap." It makes more sense for AMD -- a company that has built a reputation around being the long-term support solution -- to wait until DDR4 has arrived, rather than do a small step-up before then for PCI-e & USB3.

It is literally the only "information" available, even if it is speculation.

Frankly it makes sense, but eh, I want G34 APUs with a normal Kaveri APU and a 768-core GPU bolted together and quad-channel DDR4. Quadcore + 7870 on one chip anyone?
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post #186 of 200
It doesn't make sense for them to launch an entirely new chipset now when they could make an awesome one a year from now; i would have liked 4 module steamroller though
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Maybe they will skip steamroller ... because next year excavator is comming...
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What AMD needs now is a new CPU lineup on a new 20nm or less Process. thumb.gif Kaveri is 28nm ?
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If they make an 8 or 12 core with an IPC at least 80% as good as sandy bridge, with pcie 3 and ddr4 then I'm sold on AMD. I don't care about efficiency per core, since all game coming out will be optimized for 8 cores as per the new consoles. Our quad cores will most likely start to show their age.

People said the same thing about the '6-core' consoles 360/ps3. Also the new consoles aren't truly 8-core like a PC's 8-core, as a few cores are dedicated to background applications. Not to mention just because the hardware is there, that software will use it - games still don't even utilize 6-cores, and ps3/360 games don't even fully utilize all the cores on the system. Hardware is always far ahead of software, it'll be a long time before games care about 8-cores. Right now there's arguably a single game that barely appreciates 6-cores. Crysis3 utilizes more like 4 cores with a very slight usage on the 5th and 6th core, on AMD it's optimized a lot better but it's still more like a 4-core game.

Quad cores aren't really going to show their age for at least another 2 years. Just because a program utilizes more cores, doesn't suddenly make a strong 4 core weak. In 1-2 years you'll have mainstream programs and games that utilize 6 cores, and the 4-cores will still do very well in those programs but 6-core cpu's with weaker IPC might be closer in performance.

Fact of the matter is both FX and Intel CPUs right now are overkill for pretty much any game or program anyways, utilized or not, so development will be focused on firmware and the GPU rather then the CPU anyways.
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Crysis3 utilizes more like 4 cores with a very slight usage on the 5th and 6th core

I've seen two cases of it maxing an 8-thread cpu (ivy @~5ghz) you just need to be in the right places
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Fact of the matter is both FX and Intel CPUs right now are overkill for pretty much any game or program anyways

Disagree there, every game i play that i can't comfortably get to triple digit FPS on is due to being CPU bound, even with weak graphics (a single 770) - it's not easiest thing in the world to reduce CPU load or to perfectly multithread stuff, planetside 2 devs put most of their work for a year into improving game performance (most devs will not go that far!), yet it looks like this in a big, long engagement on Haswell @4.5g, entirely cpu bound

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Anything with triple digit numbers of independant units (sc2) or players (planetside) is screaming for CPU power right now

Likewise, right now it is: Run a stream at a high resolution and FPS - OR play a game that highly utilizes your CPU. Not both - even on LGA2011 for some games
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