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any one out there that is good at working their way around this mother board... Then I need your help.... but this is not the typical NF24-ALH..... Pine got there hands on this one with Nvidia... Let me know if you can help me out with this board please that is suppose to work along with the AMD 3200XP
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If I get it well you're talking about the XFX NF24-ALH based on NF2. This mobo/chipset supports the XP3200 if it has the right bios. I found a version here, it seems to be good. If there are some jumpers on the mobo that alow you to set the FSB, set it @166 at first since this way the mobo would "see" the CPU as a 2500+ for which it probably has support. Flash the new bios and then set the FSB @200 to set the CPU at the correct speed of the XP3200+
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You got it rite (well)... I've checked the the version that you found for me and all looks good compared to the version that i'm using which is the b14. Not very stable at all looking at the ratings so thats a good start.
As for fsb settings, The board doesn't have any jumpers on it to change fsb setting but does have it in the bios settings which i would imagine is the same thing.
The board does have a jumper which acts as a safemode. At the moment i have to run it in this "safe mode" @ 1300 MHz. If I try to run it normal mode the pc hangs and shuts down which the only i can reboot system means i have to turn off the power from the electric socket for a minute and then turn back on as normal, then system boots up.
I will change fsb settings as you said and see what happens..
So happy to hear from someone who knows about this motherboard.
Thanks for your response and i will let you know what happens
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If you manage to get up to the bios screen it's OK. Actually this safe mode setting does pretty much what I was meaning to do by forcing 166FSB, that is to make your computer boot. Since you can boot the computer you can also update the BIOS, which in turn would allow you to remove the safe mode cap and run the CPU at its full potential. If with the BIOS updated still it acts up the problem could be somewhere else...
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It just gets worse lol. Downloaded the file & extracted to floppy. Now when i reboot message tells me to remove media or disk
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Maybe you understand more out of this thread, since I don't have the mobo and the bios in front of me it's kinda hard to imagine all. Try what these guys said:

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Name: stinger.
Date: December 12, 2006 at 02:17:07 Pacific
Subject: usb issue
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I was having problems with my pc which has a Nvidia Nforce2 ALH 400fsb Motherboard with an Athlon 3200XP chip. The Motherboard has a Safemode Utility which will change the Athlon to Run at 1300MHz instead of APPROX 2700MHz. If I try to run the chip at 2700MHZ it will hang.but will work at the 1300MHz setting. Instead of re-installing Windows I Repaired it instead. The problem occured after that. I do run windows in normal mode but with less power than it is capable of. Thanks for the help...
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Response Number 7 Name: Tubesandwires
Date: December 12, 2006 at 10:53:28 Pacific
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Your grammar is much better in that, but..."I was having problems with my pc ..."
Symptoms, details ......
"Instead of re-installing Windows I Repaired it instead. The problem occured after that."
Good for you! Re-installing Windows from scratch should be a last resort.
What procedure(s) did you use? Does your XP CD have SP1 or SP2 included, or did you have to update Windows to SP1 or SP2 previously?
" I do run windows in normal mode but with less power...."
Your flash drive should be recognized properly in that case, if nothing else is wrong.
......
I searched the web for info about this mboard - XFX NF24-ALH
a.k.a. XFX nForce2 NF24-ALH, XFX Mach4 NF24-ALH, Pine Technology NF24-ALH
Apparently it was made by Pine Technology, who marketed their mboards retail as Azza models, then later as XFX models.
There are no AZZA web sites anymore, and I don't see any mboard info or support on the three current XFX web sites.
http://www.xfxforce.com/web/home.jspa
- currently lists video cards, etc., not mboards
- may be manuals, drivers if you provide the proper Serial Number or Product Code/Part Number.
I found no mboard manual at all, but I did find the manufacturer's specs:
http://www.elhvb.com/mobokive/Archi...
Because I cannot find a manual, I have no idea what you see in the bios Setup settings, which are almost always outlined in a mboard manual.
After searching the web and looking at many "hits" I found
- this mboard was originally specified to support an XP2600+ @ 266MHz FSB max.
(266mhz XP2600's are relatively rare - most are 333mhz Barton)
- this mboard WILL properly support an XP3200+ Barton, if you have the proper XP3200+ CPU, but it probably depends on which bios version the mboard has, and even if you do have a sufficient bios version, you MUST be using ram that is the max speed the mboard will take.
- you must be using pc3200 (400mhz) ddr ram to support the 400mhz internal sppped required by the XP3200+
- the cpu must be able to use a core voltage available in the bios, which cannot be changed by the user - the XP3200+ cpu must be able to use that voltage - there may be different versions of XP3200+ that use different core voltages - if you bios version is not sufficient the proper voltage may nopt be available to the cpu.
- I have no idea where you would get a newer bios version if you can't get it on the XFX web sites - the AZZA web sites no longer exist. There USED TO BE bios upgrade info and newer bios versions on the XFX USA web site, but I don't know if they are still available.
- for the DDR ram speed
If the cpu core speed is 400mhz, you use 200 mhz in the bios (X2) = 400mhz fsb - the ram must be pc3200 (400mhz) ddr ram to support the 400mhz cpu core speed required by the XP3200+
If the cpu core speed is 333mhz, you use 166 mhz in the bios (X2) = 333mhz fsb - the ram must be pc2700 (333mhz) ddr ram or greater
If the cpu core speed is 266mhz, you use 133 mhz in the bios (X2) = 266mhz fsb - the ram must be pc2100 (266mhz) ddr ram or greater
- Your bios will (should) pick the right Multiplier AUTOMATICALLY to recognize your correct CPU operating frequency.
If it does not do that, the bios version does not recognize the cpu type.
- The XPxxxx number is NOT the CPU operating frequency - it is AMD's rating of what speed an equivalent Intel P4 cpu would have to run at to get equivalent performance - the older P4's are much less efficient than Athlon XPs.
e.g. XP3200+ - AXDA3200DKV4E
Operating Clock (MHz) : 2200 (11X)
** Front Side Bus Speed : 400 Mhz
** L2 Cache : 512KB
** Core : Model 10 (Barton)
** Nominal Voltage : 1.65V
If your XP3200+ does not have the same code on it, you can look up your code and the specs for your CPU on the AMD web site.
- some have been able to overclock this mboard to 169mhz fsb (x 2 = 338mhz CPU operating frequency) with certain CPUs rated at 333mhz operating frequency.
......
If this XP3200+ cpu has never been recognized on this mboard properly, your bios version is probably too old. Even if you don't have pc3200 (400mhz) ram, the 11X multiplier (or whatever it is for your particular XP3200+ model) should be automatically detected if you have a new enough bios version.
You could try using your serial number or Product Code/Part Number on the XFX web sites to see if you can get a newer bios update - if they don't have the updates I have no idea where you would get one elsewhere. Driverguide maybe? www.driverguide.com
If you DO have PC3200 (400mhz) ram, and if this XP3200+ cpu previously worked on this mboard,
- in the bios Setup, set it to Bios Defaults, save settings, reboot.
Go into the bios Setup again and set the ram to 200mhz.
If you have AGP video, after you flash the bios make sure your AGP video is enabled in the bios, has been assigned an IRQ (if there is a setting for that), and AGP video is initialized first - if those are set to PCI, you may have no video once Windows starts to load.
If you have a fairly recent model scanner or printer (~1999 or later) connected to a parallel (LPTx) port, you also need to make sure it is set to EPP, EPP/ECP, or ECP mode in the bios - usually EPP is fine - ECP mode also requires you use Add Hardware in Windows to install an ECP port if it is not already there in Device Manager.
Save settings, reboot.
Your XP3200+ should work fine and run at it's rated speed (2200 mhz, or similar).
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Response Number 8 Name: stinger.
Date: December 15, 2006 at 06:07:08 Pacific
Subject: usb issue
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Thanks Tubes&Wires, Theres alot of info i will have to sort through. I am very grateful for your time & efforts with this. Very kind of you.
I will check through the info and see how it compares to the details in my Bios etc.
I do know that the Ram is pc3200 400MHz.
I will find the serial number and check if I can update the Bios etc. I will also do as instructed and let you know how it proceeds.
Again thank you for the help
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Response Number 9 Name: Tubesandwires
Date: December 15, 2006 at 07:24:38 Pacific
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Whatever you do the fact remains you can't run an XP3200+ at 2700mhz. At best, if the bios recognizes the cpu type, and if the bios is even capable of overclocking, it won't run more than a tiny bit faster than it's rated mhz - e.g. 2200mhz.
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Response Number 10 Name: stinger.
Date: December 15, 2006 at 10:32:26 Pacific
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Yes I understand now. I will check the settings in the Bios and see if I can sort the settings out. I will let you know how I get on. Thanks Tubesand Wires.
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Response Number 11 Name: stinger.
Date: December 15, 2006 at 10:34:50 Pacific
Subject: usb issue
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Your BIOS Agent Results: BIOS ID: 12/12/2003-nVidia-nForce-6A61BP8AC OEM Sign-On: NF24ALH.B14 FOR NF24-ALH BIOS Date: 12/12/03 BIOS Type: Award Chipset: Unknown Super I/O: Winbond 627F/HF rev 7 found at port 2Eh OS: WinXP SP2 BIOS ROM Socket: Yes BIOS ROM Size: 256K Memory Installed: 1024 MB Memory Max: 1536 MB CPU: AMD Athlon(tm) XP 1300 Mhz
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Response Number 12 Name: Tubesandwires
Date: December 16, 2006 at 07:37:10 Pacific
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Bios Agent reports the cpu type the bios is set to, and the bios assigns the AMD cpu type label according to the fsb speed and multipier it is using - if the latter are less than the cpu is capable of, it will be labelled as a lesser cpu type. The AMD cpu type label and the multiplier and fsb settings that correspond to that must be in the bios code - if that isn't in your particular bios version, the bios can't properly identify the cpu and doesn't know what settings to use - you MAY be able to use settings for a lesser or different cpu type. These specs show there is only one XP3200+, which uses an 11X multiplier (x 200mhz fsb) and runs at 2200mhz - page 3 of the pdf -
and the only cpu that runs at 1300mhz is a plain Athlon A1330AMS38 (pre XP) which uses a 13X multiplier (x 100mhz fsb) - page 5 of the pdf
http://www.amd.com/gb-uk/assets/con...
Cpu core voltage is specified as 1.65 volts for XP3200+ and 1.75 volts for Athlon 1300.
The core voltage is determined by the bios by the readings of certain pins on the cpu, so the XP3200+ is probably using 1.65 volts despite the fact it is being run as a lesser cpu type. Make sure it is - 1.75 volts will probably burn out the cpu in a short time
I don't know whether you can change the specified fsb speed and multiplier in the bios - if you can, even with your present bios version....
If the bios can't run the cpu as a XP3200+ with it's proper settings...
The bios may accept a 10.5 multiplier x 400fsb and run it as one type of a XP3000+, at 2100mhz,
or if it won't accept any 400fsb settings, it might accept 13X at a 333mhz fsb, and run it as another type of XP3000+, at 2167mhz,
or it might accept 13X at a 333mhz fsb, and run it as a XP2700+, at 2167mhz,
or it might accept 12.5X at a 333mhz fsb, and run it as one type (Barton) of XP2600+, at 2083mhz,
or it should certainly accept 16X at a 266mhz fsb and run it as another type of XP2600+, at 2133mhz
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Could you attach the bios you downloaded to a reply? The site asks for registration and we would gain time if I got the bios from you.

*EDIT: I found that your mobo is actually made by some company called AZZA, not by XFX, they just re-branded it. Googeling now for bioses...

**EDIT: I've searched but I can't seem to find a better result. Your mobo is an AZZA, but this company no longer exists, so no support.
Try with that BIOS. Make a bootable diskette and then copy the bios file onto it, it should be a .bin or a .rom. Use the BIOS flashing tool that is recommended on the site, or if there's no recommendation try with the tool provided on the installation CD, if it exists.
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Thanks for help. Just tried once more and changed jumper back to normal power. At Post it does show that the AMD Athlon 3200xp DDR 400 is there and then i get the usual hang. Dont know if this changes anything but wanted to tell you. As you have probablly noticed i'm not very expeirence with bios settings,etc. Going to give it a try now.
LOL...... Going to take photos of Bios Screen so i can show what's there..

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Drag, flash bios, went to reboot, pc comes on but can't get the monitor going.
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I'm back.... lol... Bios didn't support the monitor i use. With the info you posted to me, it now shows me i have problems on the motherboard itself.
So instead of continious trouble i have now replaced the motherboard etc with a new 1.
Thanks for the help & support Dragosmp. Very kind of you.. Thanks Buddy
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