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I said they share the x86/x86-64 patents. And if you think AMD was ever a big threat, it was only for a few desktop processors in the middle of their career of chasing behind Intel. In any case, they started by copying them and being behind. And they are still behind them.

Also you seem to fail to understand "enough" is a foolish concept in computing.

CPUs aren't enough, they will never be. The GPUs are behind in transistor technology and the CPUs too are slowed down now as we reach the end of the silicon transistor era.

People would use text processors from the 80s and some would say they are enough. I was around. The 90s felt too fast and unecessary for some people but those chips are now considered useless.


It's very easy to make a computer draw more polygons and make inadequate.

Let alone we haven't even attempted the majesty of real ray tracing graphics in real time for all people.

And now mobiles too.

The majority of their releases were either equal overall or ahead, actually. Intel has always been ahead in marketshare but not performance. (Even when they just made cloned Intel CPUs, they often had the $/performance advantage along with Harris among others...Take the 386DX-40, it was often faster than the 486SX-33 that Intel had mainly to compete at the time and that also cost a lot less.)

If you want proof of that look at the older non-cloned releases: Am386, Am486 (Parts of these are reverse engineered, which is arguably harder than designing a chip from scratch), K5, K6, K6-2, K6-III, Athlon Classic, Athlon Thunderbird, Athlon XP, Athlon64. Out of those only the 486 and K5 weren't far better value for money than Intel and only the Am386, Am486 and K5 weren't at least as fast if not faster as what Intel had out at the time. Yup, they were just chasing behind Intel in performance the whole way...Also, remember that AMD had the first 1Ghz CPU and was the first on 130nm I believe. They were gaining on Intel until Intel completely floored them with Conroe and they dropped the ball with Barcelona. There's a reason Intel was losing marketshare, you know, it's the same reasons they started paying off various OEMs, they'd tried forcing RDRAM, their SDRAM chipset was utter crap, the Pentium 4 was starting to show off it's flaws and inability to clock to the moon and back, AMD had beat them to a new node for the first time and was right behind them/beating them in CPU performance depending on which week you checked/who had released the latest clock bumped chip, Itanium was a massive disappointment and finally, AMDs "Hammer" (as it was known then) was showing already to be a strong chip. It wasn't just the Athlon64.

CPUs are enough right now, there are other areas of computing that are far more bottlenecked (GPUs and HDDs for example) for most people...Going on about CPU performance is like saying "You don't really need it, but I'd suggest spending $x extra for DDR3-3000 over that DDR3-2166 you were looking at simply because it might be useful to have that extra speed in future" You're taking what I said and stretching it to an extreme, I'm not saying the CPU matters at all and no-one will ever have to upgrade again but that you only have to upgrade your CPU much less often than your GPU and that it matters far less than the GPU for gaming...Why else do you think people are happily gaming at 60fps on a 6 year old CPU? (Nehalem came out in 2008. For reference, the 9800GTX series came out then and is completely out-dated in terms of performance while the i7 920 is still a very quick chip today even outside of the mainly GPU bottlenecked gaming scene)
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CPUs are enough right now, there are other areas of computing that are far more bottlenecked (GPUs and HDDs for example) for most people...Going on about CPU performance is like saying "You don't really need it, but I'd suggest spending $x extra for DDR3-3000 over that DDR3-2166 you were looking at simply because it might be useful to have that extra speed in future" You're taking what I said and stretching it to an extreme, I'm not saying the CPU matters at all and no-one will ever have to upgrade again but

Yes, exactly. GPUs are bottlenecking CPUs of Intel.

If we could, we'd be ray tracing in real time on 3 X 8K monitors. Because you know what? It would look better/more real and the human eye can still see aliasing on most configurations of even 4K. *antialiasing is practically high quality sophisticated blurring. It will only look optimal in terms of resolution if we never have to use it again.
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Getting Z97 motherboards for review in about a week! Excited!
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Hope this is false, but probably not mad.gif

http://www.legitreviews.com/hands-on-with-devils-canyon-intel-haswell-refresh_137746

"The one bad bit of information is that it appears that Devil’s Canyon will only be supported by the Intel 9-series motherboards. Intel is very tight lipped on what they are saying, but if this is true they will be locking down what boards support these new CPU’s by the CPU micro code in order to push sales of their new Z97 platform. We originally thought the Haswell Refresh would be for the 8 and 9 series! Both are LGA1150 processors, so one would hope that it would be supported on Intel 8-series boards!"


If this is true I'm no longer a Intel fan, not that I am fan of any company, but this is a kick to the groin. I picked up all the parts for my new build in the last few months, including a new Maximus VI Formula. I have been waiting for the haswell refresh, because the current package of this chip sucks. I guess I'll get a cheap 4770k from MC, and hope i get lucky, probably de-lid.rolleyes.gif

If Intel cares, I've waited since X58 and P55 since building a new rig, if this happens it will be even longer next time. They already have long term problems with the death of Moores law, and ARMs lead in mobile on a inferior process. Now their greed will be their undoing.

This hobby has definitely become less fun to me.
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Hope this is false, but probably not mad.gif

http://www.legitreviews.com/hands-on-with-devils-canyon-intel-haswell-refresh_137746

"The one bad bit of information is that it appears that Devil’s Canyon will only be supported by the Intel 9-series motherboards. Intel is very tight lipped on what they are saying, but if this is true they will be locking down what boards support these new CPU’s by the CPU micro code in order to push sales of their new Z97 platform. We originally thought the Haswell Refresh would be for the 8 and 9 series! Both are LGA1150 processors, so one would hope that it would be supported on Intel 8-series boards!"


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If Intel cares, I've waited since X58 and P55 since building a new rig, if this happens it will be even longer next time. They already have long term problems with the death of Moores law, and ARMS lead in mobile on a inferior process. Now their greed will be their undoing.

This hobby has definitely become less fun to me.
Just sell your Maximus VI Formula now before it's value goes down and wait a few couple months.
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Thinking about it, I opened the box and poped in 32GB of ram to see how it looked but its never been used.

Thing is its such a nice looking board and has everything I want, just that the 4770k has proven to be such a inconsistent clocker.

Thing is sounds like a "business" decision from keeping 4970k off the z87, not engineering.
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Thinking about it, I opened the box and poped in 32GB of ram to see how it looked but its never been used.

Thing is its such a nice looking board and has everything I want, just that the 4770k has proven to be such a inconsistent clocker.

Thing is sounds like a "business" decision from keeping 4970k off the z87, not engineering.

What can you do? Buy AMD? boxing3.gif
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Ya, probably not, just live with haswell redface.gif

Seems to me they would support 1150/z87 better, it's the current mainstream platform. They might even sell more k models.
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the next charge for CPU/gfx performance is going to be to power VR
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Hope this is false, but probably not mad.gif

http://www.legitreviews.com/hands-on-with-devils-canyon-intel-haswell-refresh_137746

"The one bad bit of information is that it appears that Devil’s Canyon will only be supported by the Intel 9-series motherboards. Intel is very tight lipped on what they are saying, but if this is true they will be locking down what boards support these new CPU’s by the CPU micro code in order to push sales of their new Z97 platform. We originally thought the Haswell Refresh would be for the 8 and 9 series! Both are LGA1150 processors, so one would hope that it would be supported on Intel 8-series boards!"


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If Intel cares, I've waited since X58 and P55 since building a new rig, if this happens it will be even longer next time. They already have long term problems with the death of Moores law, and ARMS lead in mobile on a inferior process. Now their greed will be their undoing.

This hobby has definitely become less fun to me.

Well there was a rumor that Intel is going away from the onboard voltage regulators with these refreshed chips. In that case it would make sense they would not be compatible with previous motherboards. I like the editorializing by that site though. I don't think Intel has that big of an interest in reducing the pool of people that would upgrade their processors on LGA1150 (which they make money on) just so they could sell a few more chipsets (which they barely make money on).
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Thinking about it, I opened the box and poped in 32GB of ram to see how it looked but its never been used.

Thing is its such a nice looking board and has everything I want, just that the 4770k has proven to be such a inconsistent clocker.

Thing is sounds like a "business" decision from keeping 4970k off the z87, not engineering.
Maybe see if someone is selling a binned chip in the OCN marketplace. If not, you might get lucky and get a high-clocking 4770K. thumb.gif
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