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And I thought maybe I went too far asking why the [H] Opinion post referenced 10 year old comparisons towards an Nvidia ancient card... My posts was tame compared to some of the ones that followed wow.
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And I thought maybe I went too far asking why the [H] Opinion post referenced 10 year old comparisons towards an Nvidia ancient card... My posts was tame compared to some of the ones that followed wow.

Yeah, I think it's easiest to just say some form of "wow I really disagree with [H]"

No point going any further than that. I don't normally agree with much [H] writes about video cards, so I wasn't surprised that I don't agree with this article either. Doesn't mean that there is some nefarious ulterior motive at work.
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And I thought maybe I went too far asking why the [H] Opinion post referenced 10 year old comparisons towards an Nvidia ancient card... My posts was tame compared to some of the ones that followed wow.

Yeah, I think it's easiest to just say some form of "wow I really disagree with [H]"

No point going any further than that. I don't normally agree with much [H] writes about video cards, so I wasn't surprised that I don't agree with this article either. Doesn't mean that there is some nefarious ulterior motive at work.

Lying is lying, wrong is wrong. No point in letting it slide anymore, not in this day and age.
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Now radiated heat is usually negligible and minor, however, that hotter than ambient air is directly the intake of the top card. The radiated temps of the second card increase, thus feeding the heat back to the first card, and so it goes on.

This is only the case with an ill conceived (for crossfire) case cooling setup. I'd never run these parts directly adjacent to each other, simply because they would need to constantly, severely, throttle to operate within temperature spec.

Last time I was running a CFX setup (dual OCed 7950s), adding the second card barely increased temps at all (1-2C difference on the top card), because I setup airflow to compensate. There was more air leaving my case between/around the cards as through the cards at maximum fan speed. No heated air from the bottom card ever touched the top one.

While it's true that not everyone has case air flow, or board slot placement, conducive to getting optimal airflow around their cards, I don't particularly see this as an excuse. More case cooling is an implied necessity with more heat, just as a more potent PSU is an implied necessity with greater power consumption.
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I assure you that in CrossfireX, at an atypical ambient room temperature, GPUs will be hitting 101+c territory without intervention.

This is not the case, because at 94C, the cards throttle, irrespective of power limit or fan profile settings.

They can throttle all the way down to 2D clocks (with a corresponding reduction in current draw, power consumption, and heat production) if they have to. Performance will be garbage, but you aren't going to see over 95C unless something is very, very, wrong.

Even if you sandwich three 290Xs right next to each other and run them in a poorly ventilated case, you aren't going to get the middle card to sustain temps over 95C. All of your cards will be running around ~500-600MHz at load, and performance will probably be on par with a single card, but they aren't likely to be heated past spec.

This is not to say that I think AMD's cooling is ideal, or even sufficient. As it stands the R9 290(X) has essentially zero OC headroom on the reference cooler, if I apply the same standards of stability to it as I have always applied to my previous GPUs and my CPUs. In a 30C room, I see 91C at 100% fan speed (which is blow dryer loud) in OCCT at stock clocks, stock volts, and the TDP limiter at the lowest number that prevents the card from throttling down (+50%). I can squeeze about a 2% OC out of the core, and a 4% OC out of the memory before I encounter instability. Still, you aren't going to damage a stock 290X with heat, even if you run it 24/7.
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We agree they both run hot, we agree that on paper they are up to snuff, but do you believe Kyle Bennett was being misleading with this Editorial?

Not particularly. His conclusion seemed sound, despite some references of questionable relevance elsewhere.
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Dang, that sounds like some crappy temperatures/overclocking. My 290 will do 1200 all day at 80% fan and will run at around 77C in a 23C room.
    
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Dang, that sounds like some crappy temperatures/overclocking. My 290 will do 1200 all day at 80% fan and will run at around 77C in a 23C room.

In OCCT 3.1 (which is, all other things being equal about 5-10C hotter than FurMark)? Without throttling?
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My 290 throttle down on OCCT/furmark even under water.
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My 290 throttle down on OCCT/furmark even under water.

With an unmodded BIOS +50% power limit is just enough for my card to not throttle in OCCT or FurMark at stock clocks, on the reference cooler.

Only takes a very mild OC to start throttling, but it starts artifacting before it throttles anyway.
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I don't need to prove anything to you. These guys at hardocp, however, have proven to me they are among the most sincere in this field.
then all i can say is, that i hope you will soon get to enjoy your 290x crossfire

my best from heart
revro[irony off]

i had ati for 15 years and switched to nvidia just cause i preordered FC3 and i wanted to get AC3
anyway i find it strange that that H website doesnot have a review about 290. i mean i could find at least reviews of 290 on guru3d even 290sli and the difference from more expensive 290x is not that far. i mean asus sells in my country 290 for 370eur and 290x for 660eur lol
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I hear toms this and hards that and guru this - lets face it if you took 1 review as gospel and went and got what ever you saw and brought it = mug biggrin.gif

I read as many reviews as i can to get a broader spectrum - not all cards are equal even if it is the same make, to many variables. biggrin.gif

That's why we are here - that way can hear straight from the horses mouth thumb.gif
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