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am I the only one who still does not see the use of linux right now at all. The main reason is there is barely any games supported on linux and most likely your entire steam library will never be supported. So you would have to have linux & windows installed if you want to play your older games. Maybe its just me but seems like a cool idea of Linux but far behind

There used to be a time when playing a game meant exiting Windows into DOS. Windows games were few and far between. Things change.
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Pretty soon we'll see the tagline "SteamOS is not an emulator" and everybody will have a confused expression on their face and wonder what the heck it is, then.
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Just out of curiosity. Does Eyefinity work nowadays under Linux? I remember some years back it was said to have some problems in that regard.

I was just thinking in here that perhaps it would be cool to try a setup where the PC is running some linux distro and then when I need to fire up a windows program I'll just fire up windows within Linux (it should work ok, right? If I already have the Windows licence and all?) but then I got thinking that performance considerations aside surely something would go wrong and first thing popping into my mind was ofc eyefinity that just might do that. Actually the thought process kinda started from somewhere on the lines of "if you already have a windows licence would it not nice if SteamOS would be able to make use of "virtual" windows envirvement to allow you to play windows games in SteamOS which are not yet supported in Linux." I was thinking that surely people have good number of old XP licences kicking around and quite many games in Steam still are willing to work under XP as far as I'm aware. Plus if it's a virtual machine just firing up for the game and is sent away after closing the game it having the security vulnerabilities should not matter all that much. Certainly should be better than just dunno .. actually running the XP as the main operating system today. Or with all the cheap Win 8 licenses kicking around even more modern op system license could be had pretty cheap I'd imagine. For strictly gaming it should not matter if you like or dislike Metro or Win 8 on desktop.
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Just out of curiosity. Does Eyefinity work nowadays under Linux? I remember some years back it was said to have some problems in that regard.

It works with the FOSS radeon driver, I don't know about the proprietary catalyst blob as it's been a long time since I've used it. As long as you aren't using anything Debian based the FOSS driver is the better way to go. Far more stable than Catalyst and with newer kernels the performance is almost as good in 3D, and far better in 2D.

The problem with SteamOS and Debian in general is that everything is way too outdated. Fedora or Arch Linux are far better options for anybody using an AMD card. Debian is a very poor choice to base a gaming focused distribution off. Servers sure, but nothing that requires up to date software like gaming does.
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Aaaah bummer I was so looking forward to this but then forgot that it was on the way, but seeing the requirements they say at least 500gb HD space but I was gonna install on my 150gb HD just to check it out..
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am I the only one who still does not see the use of linux right now at all. The main reason is there is barely any games supported on linux and most likely your entire steam library will never be supported. So you would have to have linux & windows installed if you want to play your older games. Maybe its just me but seems like a cool idea of Linux but far behind

Chicken or the egg. There are three times the Linux games now because of this push and there's more coming.  Apparently many can be played through Wine emulation, so there's that too.

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Aaaah bummer I was so looking forward to this but then forgot that it was on the way, but seeing the requirements they say at least 500gb HD space but I was gonna install on my 150gb HD just to check it out..

Yeah, i was just about to install it on a 60GB SSD i have spare. Is there a reason they say 500GB?
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^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ That
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am I the only one who still does not see the use of linux right now at all.

Likely.
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The main reason is there is barely any games supported on linux

You have to start somewhere. We have 400+ more games now than we did a year and a half ago. I'd say we're doing better in our first couple of years, than most consoles do in their lifetime. Sure they may be mostly indies and ports from other operating systems, but it's a start, and it's a good start that has a lot of support.
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and most likely your entire steam library will never be supported.

There's no need to support the entire steam library. Before Steam, and even still after it, there's a lot of stuff you can buy on one system that won't run on another. If you buy a Windows license for Adobe CS, it'll only activate on Windows and not Mac. Same concept here. Don't treat Linux like it's Windows. It's an entirely new platform that will have to grow on it's own.

And within this last year and half of Steam on Linux, we've already had a bunch of big name publishers and developers step up and say they'll make Linux games.
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So you would have to have linux & windows installed if you want to play your older games. Maybe its just me but seems like a cool idea of Linux but far behind

You really don't. Unless you're playing DX11+ (minimum requirement) games, then Wine will run the majority pretty darn well. Depending on the popularity, they'll run just as good if not better than under Windows native. Call of Duty is a good example of this, as well as many other popular games. A lot will still take a performance hit, but most of the time it isn't too noticeable once set up.

Then there's also the possibility of Streaming ( being SteamOS here and Steam pushing the "living room" experience with it ), a big advantage is if you have a few spare parts laying around to build a living room PC out of, you can now Stream from your main rig to any room in your house free of cost. And having been testing it out for the past couple of months, it's been pretty darn decent. Still some bugs to work out, but performance is really not all that bad. It will only get better with time.

Ultimately, things are going to be slower for us, that's what happens when Microsoft is allowed to have a monopoly on well... everything. The most freedom people get is the UK get a choice in what browser they want to use on install, big whoop. Hoorah for consumer rights right there! rolleyes.gif But Linux has been speeding up a LOT lately. Steam bringing their client to Linux has already bettered the graphics drivers ( Steam has been pushing them ), and they'll continue to get better ( mainly looking at AMD here ). And the more attention we get the better things are going to get. Just wait for a nice little bubble to happen and we get tons of companies throwing out support for Linux, even for a short while, and it'll help us grow a lot.


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Yeah, i was just about to install it on a 60GB SSD i have spare. Is there a reason they say 500GB?

Space for games. 60GB will fill awfully fast. figure base install is going to be around 6GB, then if you install just one or two of their games at 12GB+ each that's game over essentially.
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Yeah, i was just about to install it on a 60GB SSD i have spare. Is there a reason they say 500GB?
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^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ That

Probably space for games. It should work on a 60GB SSD, although I have heard you may need to modify the installer. After all, the OS takes only about 4GB of space on its own...
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