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Bro I always have respect for your posts as your one of the few in the forum who typically speaks logic. But in this case I am astounded that you are not paying attention, or simply are ignoring the facts.

Its only a bottleneck at a lower res, if the GPU has full usage at 1080p (a res the OP is asking about) than its not a bottleneck......Why is that so hard to comprehend? He did not ask about 720p gaming at all so your argument is invalid here.

I have owned six core cpu's from AMD as well as currently game with the GPU in question on a lower AMD quad and I can tell you its fine. The whole CPU bottleneck argument is irrelevant in this particular thread.

If you wanna get technical even a 4.5GHz 3770k will bottleneck at some point. (I know i have owned one of those too.) He doesn't, or at least shouldn't care about 720p benches.

I mean that there is a Bottleneck, one thing is that you wont notice about it but there will be... check GPU usage while you play at 1080p with stock clocks FX 6100(as the signature of the OP says) and maybe you wont see 100% GPU usage
Bottleneck which wont be there with a oced CPU as always happens

VaporX's point stands still then. It's like testing the towing capabilities of a VW Bug. That would be the bottleneck of the Bug compared to say a Ford F-250. If the bug is only ever going to see passengers and not towing (1080p instead of 720p) then what difference does it make if it's held back by its towing capabilities if he's not going to tow with it?

Kind of the same point.

If at 1080p the 6100 isn't going to hold back the 7970 / 280x, then what difference does 720p benches make?

By that same logic, your Q8400 is a bottleneck for your 7870. That also means 4770k's are the bottleneck for R9 290's and 290x's (or 780Ti's), especially multi card setups.

I've got a Dual X 7970 at 1080p in my sig rig (using it on my TV), and I see 99% GPU usage in every game I play except GTA IV (AMD bug in that game).
 
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VaporX's point stands still then. It's like testing the towing capabilities of a VW Bug. That would be the bottleneck of the Bug compared to say a Ford F-250. If the bug is only ever going to see passengers and not towing (1080p instead of 720p) then what difference does it make if it's held back by its towing capabilities if he's not going to tow with it?

Kind of the same point.

If at 1080p the 6100 isn't going to hold back the 7970 / 280x, then what difference does 720p benches make?

By that same logic, your Q8400 is a bottleneck for your 7870. That also means 4770k's are the bottleneck for R9 290's and 290x's (or 780Ti's), especially multi card setups.

I've got a Dual X 7970 at 1080p in my sig rig (using it on my TV), and I see 99% GPU usage in every game I play except GTA IV (AMD bug in that game).

all this started with

"the FX 6100 would make bottleneck with a R9 280X"
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VaporX's point stands still then. It's like testing the towing capabilities of a VW Bug. That would be the bottleneck of the Bug compared to say a Ford F-250. If the bug is only ever going to see passengers and not towing (1080p instead of 720p) then what difference does it make if it's held back by its towing capabilities if he's not going to tow with it?

Kind of the same point.

If at 1080p the 6100 isn't going to hold back the 7970 / 280x, then what difference does 720p benches make?

By that same logic, your Q8400 is a bottleneck for your 7870. That also means 4770k's are the bottleneck for R9 290's and 290x's (or 780Ti's), especially multi card setups.

I've got a Dual X 7970 at 1080p in my sig rig (using it on my TV), and I see 99% GPU usage in every game I play except GTA IV (AMD bug in that game).

all this started with

"the FX 6100 would make bottleneck with a R9 280X"
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Yes, at 720p or lower resolution, sure. At 1080p, it won't. Hence why that point doesn't really stand.
 
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Yes, at 720p or lower resolution, sure. At 1080p, it won't. Hence why that point doesn't really stand.
Every time I see a possibility of bottleneck, my opinion is Subjective given that my case plus Intel biased benchmarks/AMD with worse performance gets me confused or I dont really know the measure of the CPU's performance in real world than having only benchmark for 3rd parties biggrin.gif

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Yes, at 720p or lower resolution, sure. At 1080p, it won't. Hence why that point doesn't really stand.
my bottleneck makes my doubts in every Bottleneck that could be but as mine is, I dont think clearly plus AMD's benchmark with lower FPS redface.gif

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All hail pioneerisloud. LMAO

I think Mr. PontiacGTX is suffering from sleep deprivation or something. Go get some sleep bud and come back with a clear head.

The bottleneck of AMD CPU's is greatly exaggerated. I have owned multiple CPU's from both side's and in FPS games like BF there is almost no noticeable difference. The games you linked have been known to be strong single thread dependent which is why you see such a huge difference in the benches you posted. The is a difference between that and being a bottleneck.

Even my old 3770K at 4.5GHZ (and two GTX 770's)was brought to its knees in SC2 in heavy battles. Im talking 17FPS and below. Like my man Pioneer said all CPU's will bottleneck at some point.
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All hail pioneerisloud. LMAO

I think Mr. PontiacGTX is suffering from sleep deprivation or something. Go get some sleep bud and come back with a clear head.

The bottleneck of AMD CPU's is greatly exaggerated. I have owned multiple CPU's from both side's and in FPS games like BF there is almost no noticeable difference. The games you linked have been known to be strong single thread dependent which is why you see such a huge difference in the benches you posted. The is a difference between that and being a bottleneck.

Even my old 3770K at 4.5GHZ (and two GTX 770's)was brought to its knees in SC2 in heavy battles. Im talking 17FPS and below. Like my man Pioneer said all CPU's will bottleneck at some point.

Oh good, it wasn't me. I just woke up, was almost worried I read it wrong, lol.

I wouldn't go to say that "AMD CPU bottlenecks are exaggerated". I wouldn't recommend a 280x / 7970 with a Phenom II. Heck Phenom II was holding back my GTX 470 pretty bad at 3.85GHz. However the FX 6xxx series and higher aren't bad at all. The FX4xxx series would be fine with a mid range card, but not a high end.

My LGA 771 Xeon does a solid job still with my 7970. So CPU bottlenecks really are blown out of proportion pretty badly. I can play even CPU dependent games just great, just as well as my old i5 2500k @ 5GHz could do when I had it. My Phenom II couldn't do this. But this LGA 771 Xeon can. Which tells me Phenom II must be pretty weak in some gaming scenarios (averages were fine, its the minimum framerates that kill me on a "bottlenecked" setup).
 
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Might be self advertising but still true the 280X Toxic is the fastest 280X out of the box.thumb.gif

do their cards last more than 2 yrs?

why dont they give 3 yrs warranty biggrin.gif
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Oh good, it wasn't me. I just woke up, was almost worried I read it wrong, lol.

I wouldn't go to say that "AMD CPU bottlenecks are exaggerated". I wouldn't recommend a 280x / 7970 with a Phenom II. Heck Phenom II was holding back my GTX 470 pretty bad at 3.85GHz. However the FX 6xxx series and higher aren't bad at all. The FX4xxx series would be fine with a mid range card, but not a high end.

My LGA 771 Xeon does a solid job still with my 7970. So CPU bottlenecks really are blown out of proportion pretty badly. I can play even CPU dependent games just great, just as well as my old i5 2500k @ 5GHz could do when I had it. My Phenom II couldn't do this. But this LGA 771 Xeon can. Which tells me Phenom II must be pretty weak in some gaming scenarios (averages were fine, its the minimum framerates that kill me on a "bottlenecked" setup).

No I agree completely. I would not recommend anything below a FX 6 core nowadays for higher end jobs. My 965 at 4GHz is doing great but i'm shopping for a 8 core so I can Xfire down the road. My point was that people tend to recommend new builders jump on the Intel train at the expense of sacrificing their GPU budget, therefor defeating the purpose of spending more money on a CPU if you end up with a Lower end GPU. People forget balance, and the fact that the GPU does the majority of the heavy lifting.

What really matters when picking a CPU IMO is how high can the clocks go balanced with core count. Like I said I have had a new i7 clocked high and in the end still got beat down in some games.
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All hail pioneerisloud. LMAO

I think Mr. PontiacGTX is suffering from sleep deprivation or something. Go get some sleep bud and come back with a clear head.

The bottleneck of AMD CPU's is greatly exaggerated. I have owned multiple CPU's from both side's and in FPS games like BF there is almost no noticeable difference. The games you linked have been known to be strong single thread dependent which is why you see such a huge difference in the benches you posted. The is a difference between that and being a bottleneck.

Even my old 3770K at 4.5GHZ (and two GTX 770's)was brought to its knees in SC2 in heavy battles. Im talking 17FPS and below. Like my man Pioneer said all CPU's will bottleneck at some point.
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