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Victini,

The i3-haswell is probably the chip you want for this. Specifically, the 4130T would be my choice as it should maintain cool/quiet operation regardless of load on a small profile (even stock) cooling solution. (Though any i3, i5, or i7 haswell chip with HD4400 or HD4600 [or Xeon E3-12X5 with P4600/P4700] or better is going to work fine).

If you have an intel CORE series with the HD4400 or HD4600 (or XEON with P4600 or P4700) then there isn't any reason for a discrete GPU in this build. It would be redundant.

The Pentium G3XX series appears to have a stripped down iGPU. There isn't much detailed information about what the Haswell Pentium chips can decode, so it would be advisable to ignore them for this build unless you prefer to accomplish video output with a discrete GPU, in which case, AMD doesn't offer anything with 4K decoding support at this time, so it would have to be an Nvidia card (see details about which NV cards support 4K decoding in my post above).

Regards,
Eric
     
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O.O uhoh.

The fractal node 304 has no external 5.25" bay. there's no way to put an optical drive in it without modding. On the bright side you can ditch the low profile cooler. There's plenty of room where the dvd bay would be.

that thing is more or less a server and gaming case. It's main server feature is holding 6 3.5" drives, which you do not need to do. It's very deep to accept large video cards and has a lot of room for a big air cooler. If you're stuck with it, You're probably going to have to buy an external blu ray drive.

I'm trying to figure out how to save this and mod the thing to accept an internal blu ray.
The easiest thing to do is mount the optical drive to the top of the case pointing out the side and cut a hole for it with a dremel. It would be kinda awkward and ugly though.

One thought is to cut a slot in the front bezel at the very top to accept a laptop type slot loading drive. You mount the drive inside the bezel with double stick tape and have the disk pop up through the slot you cut like a toaster. To do it you'd have to move the front case fan housing to the inside of the case, which doesn't look terribly difficult, but would make it impossible to put 3.5" drives in the machine, so you will be stuck with 2.5" You'd also have to drill a fairly large hole to get the sata cable to pass through. It would be covered by the bezel so that wouldn't be a big deal visually though..

As for the CPU*situation, What has been learned so far with all that chatter, is that the advantage of the i3 over the Pentium is that it has a viable iGPU. They are not really faster in any other meaningful way though. Furthermore, AMD video cards will not do for 4k video(!). That one was a shocker to me. They'll display it, but they can't decode it. If yo got one you'd be decoding on the CPU which requires real horsepower. More than an i3 has. dodged a bullet there.

a high end i3 and a pentium+nvidia 640/650 video card are about the same price. the pentium+video card will give you more video capability for the same money, but the i3 saves your slot so you can put something else in there or allows you to use the really small itx cases, which are now irrelevant, unless you decide to do something like refuse delivery on the case and buy something different.
Edited by bombastinator - 12/15/13 at 11:18pm
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Originally Posted by bombastinator View Post

O.O uhoh.

The fractal node 304 has no external 5.25" bay. there's no way to put an optical drive in it without modding. On the bright side you can ditch the low profile cooler. There's plenty of room where the dvd bay would be.

that thing is more or less a server and gaming case. It's main server feature is holding 6 3.5" drives, which you do not need to do. It's very deep to accept large video cards and has a lot of room for a big air cooler. If you're stuck with it, You're probably going to have to buy an external blu ray drive.

I'm trying to figure out how to save this and mod the thing to accept an internal blu ray.
The easiest thing to do is mount the optical drive to the top of the case pointing out the side and cut a hole for it with a dremel. It would be kinda awkward and ugly though.

One thought is to cut a slot in the front bezel at the very top to accept a laptop type slot loading drive. You mount the drive inside the bezel with double stick tape and have the disk pop up through the slot you cut like a toaster. To do it you'd have to move the front case fan housing to the inside of the case, which doesn't look terribly difficult, but would make it impossible to put 3.5" drives in the machine, so you will be stuck with 2.5" You'd also have to drill a fairly large hole to get the sata cable to pass through. It would be covered by the bezel so that wouldn't be a big deal visually though..

As for the CPU*situation, What has been learned so far with all that chatter, is that the advantage of the i3 over the Pentium is that it has a viable iGPU. They are not really faster in any other meaningful way though. Furthermore, AMD video cards will not do for 4k video(!). That one was a shocker to me. They'll display it, but they can't decode it. If yo got one you'd be decoding on the CPU which requires real horsepower. More than an i3 has. dodged a bullet there.

a high end i3 and a pentium+nvidia 640/650 video card are about the same price. the pentium+video card will give you more video capability for the same money, but the i3 saves your slot so you can put something else in there or allows you to use the really small itx cases, which are now irrelevant, unless you decide to do something like refuse delivery on the case and buy something different.
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Originally Posted by mdocod View Post

Victini,

The i3-haswell is probably the chip you want for this. Specifically, the 4130T would be my choice as it should maintain cool/quiet operation regardless of load on a small profile (even stock) cooling solution. (Though any i3, i5, or i7 haswell chip with HD4400 or HD4600 [or Xeon E3-12X5 with P4600/P4700] or better is going to work fine).

If you have an intel CORE series with the HD4400 or HD4600 (or XEON with P4600 or P4700) then there isn't any reason for a discrete GPU in this build. It would be redundant.

The Pentium G3XX series appears to have a stripped down iGPU. There isn't much detailed information about what the Haswell Pentium chips can decode, so it would be advisable to ignore them for this build unless you prefer to accomplish video output with a discrete GPU, in which case, AMD doesn't offer anything with 4K decoding support at this time, so it would have to be an Nvidia card (see details about which NV cards support 4K decoding in my post above).

Regards,
Eric

Then i3 it is. Thanks, Eric. Rep+

bombastinator: I expect for someone to say that, and yeah, that is what I'm going to do:rolleyes:. I've modded Node 304 for internal optical-drive they still looks visually stunning (believe me). Plus, Internal and External Optical-drive does not differ much, only one is inside case and the other is outside yet they have the same function. I admit, I'm not that good when making plain rig and I'm proud with it.thumb.gif Rep+
Edited by victini91 - 12/16/13 at 4:23am
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I believe it. I'm a fan of the slot loading look. got pix btw?
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crucial ct960 LG blu-ray used venamous x win 8.1 pro 
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