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To me I find it a bit stupid to have relied on youtube being a major income. If youre able to do it, good for you but when something like this happens that income can vanish.
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I've started to rely on reviewers like Angry Joe for their reviews because I like seeing some of the issues that they've ran into. Games have gotten to the point where I will rarely make a day one purchase because I feel like it has become the norm for companies to just rush it out, and fix later (if at all).
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Let me throw you this question, what defines a "real job"? Is it the boring 12 hour swifts that is highly monotonous,and exhausting work having no time with friends or family or doing any recreational work? Is it the job that requires you to risk your own life each day you go to work?

We shouldn't have any right to question what job someone feels comfortable in.

They are good at what they do. They are passionate about it. They work their butt off. They are doing their best to bring us the best they can and in the process taking criticism and feedback from the audience to make the necessary adjustments. Best of all, their shows are entertaining to watch. It's the least I could say about mainstream television. Is it wrong that they are making a little bit of money to bring food to their table? Please enlighten me.

if you want people to work and do youtube videos, it would mean they'll have to compromise in both the quality and the quantity of work. People like angryjoe/TB wouldn't be popular if it weren't for the quality and quality of work they bring us.

It's also worth mentioning that finding work is not easy;especially when you have to deal with bureaucrats and snobby idiots(i.e. the people who you are trying to beg to get a job) who have an ego that's the size of jupiter. It's also impossible when you have limited experience/connections.

Not everyone has it plain sailing life like a lot of people.

But the problem is, if YouTube evaporated overnight then they'd be screwed. Some might get jobs in television, or other forms of media. Others would carry on business as usual (CollegeHumour, IGN, Machima - all have other forms of getting their work out there).

I'm sure they put in hard work making these videos, but I just can't fathom how this can make them millionaires.
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But the problem is, if YouTube evaporated overnight then they'd be screwed. Some might get jobs in television, or other forms of media. Others would carry on business as usual (CollegeHumour, IGN, Machima - all have other forms of getting their work out there).

I'm sure they put in hard work making these videos, but I just can't fathom how this can make them millionaires.

It's not about being a millionaire, do you do what you do in your industry hoping to become a millionaire overnight?

Their job or jobs are no more temporary than yours or mine, a company can be bought out, or just decide to fire a bunch of workers.
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IMO: At this point, I think the likes of Angry Joe / TB can survive by moving to a different website or platform. Their viewers would still follow them. There will be losses ofcourse but it think they can survive. I cannot say the same for the other smaller channels though. frown.gif
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To me I find it a bit stupid to have relied on youtube being a major income. If youre able to do it, good for you but when something like this happens that income can vanish.

It's a lot less risky than a lot of other business ventures.

Look at restaurateurs, they're getting into one of the businesses with the one of the highest failure rates out there.

Yet people do it all the time!
At least with youtube, you have almost no overhead.
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But the problem is, if YouTube evaporated overnight then they'd be screwed. Some might get jobs in television, or other forms of media. Others would carry on business as usual (CollegeHumour, IGN, Machima - all have other forms of getting their work out there).

I'm sure they put in hard work making these videos, but I just can't fathom how this can make them millionaires.


Im pretty sure all the big uploaders know that if YT vanished they would have to find something else.

Popular uploaders are paid money based on their advertising potential, so it is not free money, you get x views, generate y ad hits, you get z% of said money paid to Google to advertise for a company. You go below x-n views and monetization status will be assessed.

But that is not the issue here. The issue is Google screwing over their managed partners with how ContentID flags and then strips payouts for the uploader and 100% of the ad revenue goes to Google or back to the copyright claimant.

The kicker, I haven't seen or heard of any Dev that knew about this before Google implemented it. Nintendo, Capcom and Sony look to be the only companies that actually like ContentID and that is inline with their false DMCA and copyright BS that they pull constantly.

Both EA and Blizzard, companies that are not well liked here, have said this is way too much and are working to get all of their ip's whitelisted.

TotalBiscuit, while annoying and a bore to listen to at times, has the best grasp of how screwed up the internet and youtube are in respect to copyright law and the blatant abuse by companies to silence criticism of their games.

Pretty much sums everything up.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7JqjDhuPFaQ
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Im pretty sure all the big uploaders know that if YT vanished they would have to find something else.

Popular uploaders are paid money based on their advertising potential, so it is not free money, you get x views, generate y ad hits, you get z% of said money paid to Google to advertise for a company. You go below x-n views and monetization status will be assessed.

But that is not the issue here. The issue is Google screwing over their managed partners with how ContentID flags and then strips payouts for the uploader and 100% of the ad revenue goes to Google or back to the copyright claimant.

The kicker, I haven't seen or heard of any Dev that knew about this before Google implemented it. Nintendo, Capcom and Sony look to be the only companies that actually like ContentID and that is inline with their false DMCA and copyright BS that they pull constantly.

Both EA and Blizzard, companies that are not well liked here, have said this is way too much and are working to get all of their ip's whitelisted.

TotalBiscuit, while annoying and a bore to listen to at times, has the best grasp of how screwed up the internet and youtube are in respect to copyright law and the blatant abuse by companies to silence criticism of their games.

Pretty much sums everything up.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7JqjDhuPFaQ

That runs contrary to what I've heard. Capcom, Nintendo, and all the other game publishers and studios are NOT aware of this and claims are being made in their name without them having done anything. It's the automated system that's running things here, not the publishers/developers or even Google themselves.

A lot of game related videos have been flagged lately, and a lot haven't. I don't think games are being intentionally targeted any more than others.
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Let me throw you this question, what defines a "real job"? Is it the boring 12 hour swifts that is highly monotonous,and exhausting work having no time with friends or family or doing any recreational work? Is it the job that requires you to risk your own life each day you go to work?

We shouldn't have any right to question what job someone feels comfortable in.

They are good at what they do. They are passionate about it. They work their butt off. They are doing their best to bring us the best they can and in the process taking criticism and feedback from the audience to make the necessary adjustments. Best of all, their shows are entertaining to watch. It's the least I could say about mainstream television. Is it wrong that they are making a little bit of money to bring food to their table? Please enlighten me.

if you want people to work and do youtube videos, it would mean they'll have to compromise in both the quality and the quantity of work. People like angryjoe/TB wouldn't be popular if it weren't for the quality and quality of work they bring us.

It's also worth mentioning that finding work is not easy;especially when you have to deal with bureaucrats and snobby idiots(i.e. the people who you are trying to beg to get a job) who have an ego that's the size of jupiter. It's also impossible when you have limited experience/connections.

Not everyone has it plain sailing life like a lot of people.

But the problem is, if YouTube evaporated overnight then they'd be screwed. Some might get jobs in television, or other forms of media. Others would carry on business as usual (CollegeHumour, IGN, Machima - all have other forms of getting their work out there).

I'm sure they put in hard work making these videos, but I just can't fathom how this can make them millionaires.

Actually, you'll find that IGN/college humour etc were made popular by Youtube and other social media means such as forums.

This is basically Google/Youtube being arrogant pricks thinking their way is the only way.

I don't think you realize that people like TB,etc are a trusted source for getting reliable information/opinion about a game. It would be silly to think that their channel doesn't have an influence on sales/brand/reputation on a given product or service. It is they who brought youtube to where it is now.

You can't trust sources like IGN/Eurogamer/escapist anymore because they all give either a 9 or an 8 out of 10. They rarely mention the bad and just focus on the good. That's why their(TB/AG) channel is important. It's a second/third opinion that you don't get anywhere else. It's another perspective.

You also don't realize that this is a bot(i.e. a stupid program made by Google/Youtube) that's falsely flagging videos.
Infact, a lot of companies that the program claims the content it belongs to don't exist(e.g.THQ) and never even heard of. That is why this entire content ID system is broken from the start and because the outdated copyright laws won't in the near future change, this is going affect sales and the content AG/TB brings us. Not only that but it's going hurt brand reputation of major publishers/developers.Why do you think the minute the major publishers/developers(like EA/deepsliver) heard about this,they went on the defence and actually were going to help uploaders have their videos unflagged?

This is why you can't trust computers because they lack that human element which computers can't replicate(yet)
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Actually, you'll find that IGN/college humour etc were made popular by Youtube and other social media means such as forums.

This is basically Google/Youtube being arrogant pricks thinking their way is the only way.

I don't think you realize that people like TB,etc are a trusted source for getting reliable information/opinion about a game. It would be silly to think that their channel doesn't have an influence on sales/brand/reputation on a given product or service. It is they who brought youtube to where it is now.

You can't trust sources like IGN/Eurogamer/escapist anymore because they all give either a 9 or an 8 out of 10. They rarely mention the bad and just focus on the good. That's why their(TB/AG) channel is important. It's a second/third opinion that you don't get anywhere else. It's another perspective.

You also don't realize that this is a bot(i.e. a stupid program made by Google/Youtube) that's falsely flagging videos.
Infact, a lot of companies that the program claims the content it belongs to don't exist(e.g.THQ) and never even heard of. That is why this entire content ID system is broken from the start and because the outdated copyright laws won't in the near future change, this is going affect sales and the content AG/TB brings us. Not only that but it's going hurt brand reputation of major publishers/developers. why do you think the minute the major publishers/developers heard about this,they went on the defence and actually were going to help uploaders have their videos unflagged?

What's sad is that John's own video got flagged shows that the bot is stupid. This is why you can't trust computers because they lack that human element which computers can't replicate(yet)

You also don't realise that you just said I don't realise a lot of stuff I actually do realise tongue.gif

I had to do that.

I trust Yahtzee's video reviews more than I trust IGN, or, to be honest, ANY videogame review. But IGN, had John Romero playing the first Episode of Doom the other day. That's the kind of quality content I like to watch( or meh, in that case, listened to).

I think TotalBiscuit is a good reliable source of information. I like the way he presents his videos and I don't find him obnoxious. That and his information is spot on and generally without any personal bias.

I posted a video a page or two back about the Content ID system, which explain how the CID system hasn't actually changed. What HAS changed is the way it's used on video channels, and thus many more are being flagged for being affiliate channels (iirc). The flags have absolutely nothing to do with publishers. In many cases this is done without their permission or knowledge.

I'm back to this: it will be fixed. These are problems of the system and they will be fixed, because it wasn't supposed to be like this and it will do damage if left like this. <- This much is really obvious. Which is why I'm not with these guys decrying this as the end of days.
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