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I'd suggest running a virtualbox of an easy distro like ElementaryOS or Mint. Both are debian based and have solid support forums out there.
post #12 of 54
Do like I did, run Ubuntu from a Live CD (I used a USB stick). I would bet some other distros have the same ability i.e. being able to be run from the install CD. I did like it a lot.
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Setting up multiple screens shouldn't be too difficult from how others describe it but...it will not be some sort of GUI point and click adventure. So, if you're OK the possibility of having to doing some work in a CLI/terminal to get non-typical things (3screens is non-typical) up and running then you'll be fine.

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Do like I did, run Ubuntu from a Live CD (I used a USB stick). I would bet some other distros have the same ability i.e. being able to be run from the install CD. I did like it a lot.

Personally I feel Live CD's/USB's offer a poor experience. Good for repairing a borked install, or running a virus scan on a Windows install, or even running a headless server / router on. But overall if you're going to be running a desktop ( even just for testing ) I find it slow and unpleasant. More of a turn off than anything else, since most people expect Linux to fly. Virtual machines are great for testing, usually better performance than a live disc, easy to load up a new ISO without having to rewrite any data, overall better experience in my opinion.
post #14 of 54
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So the general idea that I am getting is to try a virtual machine on my laptop till I finish my build and then make a decesion. Sounds like good advice. Another question and this maybe the wrong forum to ask this but since I assume everyone here has probably had both windows and Linux experience alot have used both on the same computer. Best way to partition harddrive? I have a Asus raidr express ssd if that makes a difference. Should I possible use seperate ssd's for each OS. Say if I like Linux put it on the Asus drive and then have windows on a backup drive invade needed.
post #15 of 54
Here's my input on your last post specifically;

Given that Solid State Disks are generally smaller capacity, and need TRIM to function at the best of their ability; I would recommend against installing both Windows and Linux to the same drive, and would recommend no more than 3 partitions for the Linux installation. Furthermore, I would recommend EXT2 for the boot partition (due to its low frequency of being written to, and small capacity - it really doesn't need to be TRIM'd) and EXT4 or BTRFS for all other partitions - and NO SWAP PARTITION on the SSD.

Why?

Well, for starters, with the Linux kernel trim is run automatically on partitions mounted with the "discard" mount flag set. This feature is only functional for EXT3, 4, BTRFS, JFS and XFS (As of kernel 3.7) This explains why you want EXT 4 or BTRFS on your drive for the data partitions that get edited most frequently, which will probably be every day. Furthermore, the SWAP partition is literally just going to thrash the NAND of your SSD like a page file would on Windows - so we don't want that.

On to Windows and Linux on the same SSD. Windows uses NTFS. Kernel trim doesn't support NTFS. Slowly, but surely - all of the "free" blocks of the SSD are going to be on the Linux side of the SSD - and the Windows side will be left with untrimmed blocks. This will still occur if you edit the Windows partition stored on another SSD, but it will happen at a drastically slower rate, since Linux won't be writing to free blocks as they become available (which is going to be free blocks from either partition according the the controller) and the blocks that aren't free will be flagged for TRIM. If they don't get TRIM'd before the system attempts to write data, the controller may decide to use a free block from the Windows side of the house (to my knowledge, I could be massively uninformed - however the fact remains that the NTFS partition will NEVER have TRIM run on it while mounted on Linux, unless you set up a VM for ONLY that purpose)

Why only 3 partitions? Well, because any more and you are starting to daunt the amount of usable space per partition, and then you start running into problems. Separate boot partition makes sense because it could be a security concern. Separate root does for the same reason; and that would imply a separate home. I usually recommend 100mb boot, 10gb root and the rest home for the majority of users. I myself use a 20gb root, and space is sometimes tight (though I could move some things and it'd be fine)


On the point of Virtual Machines:
That advice is impeccable. What better way is there to get a feel for Linux? You get to tinker to your hearts content with no worry about losing a production machine. You can try all of the features and such in a comfortable environment. The only thing you won't touch is Linux gaming. And that, can be quite the beast. Things are getting better, but we still have a ways to go yet.
    
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post #16 of 54
I would do separate drives for the reasons above also it's a pain to reinstall the windows MBR. If you decide to do sperate drives unplug the windows drive when you install Linux then after plug it back in and you have to update grub to find the windows drive. I'd recommend going with a Debian based distro since there is plenty of documentation for it.
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post #17 of 54
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Thanks for all the advice! This is what I have decided from everyone's post and a day of research. I'm going to use my laptop with a virtual machine. If I like it well enough I'm going to go Linux all the way on the new build and keep windows on laptop. That way if I get stuck I can use laptop as well as school requires a few Microsoft programs I have to use. So if I'm looking at Linux as my only OS my hardrive issue isn't an issue. Just ssd for Linux and use my other hardrives for files. So I guess the only question I have left would be what version of Linux. I've heard a few names tossed around but does anyone want to elaborate or is as simple as some give you options and some do the work for you. I believe Rookie touched on this subject and gave me the basics ( thanks). I'm thinking use Ubuntu on virtual machine until I'm used to it? Then can't Ubuntu be customized or should I go another route and customize?
post #18 of 54
not sure if ubuntu 13.10 runs well on Oracle VirtualBox ? I seem to remember it doesnt.

Id try a USB pen with an ISO of mint or ubuntu on it. If you go for mint try KDE,XFCE, first then others...
post #19 of 54
Why not just install it and use it? If you can't boot back into Windows you'll force yourself to learn.

As to which distro google it look at screen shots read forums etc.
 
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OK I've been checking into this a bit more and have a thought that I wanted everyone's opinion on. Ubuntu for variety of AP, kde and compiz for DE, Ive found info that kubuntu ( which correct me if wrong is Ubuntu with kde) works with compiz and ati drivers for eyefinity. How does this setup sound to everyone? I'm not sure about kde I'm thinking mint might be better for me. I like simplicity and using windows I like putting windows inside of each other and creating crazy heirarchy charts so to speak.
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