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3DIC memory, and therefore all of 2.5/3D technology, took one step closer to full commercialization last week with the HBM joint development announcement from AMD and Hynix at the RTI 3D ASIP meeting in Burlingame CA.

“Getting 3D going will take a BOLD move and AMD is ready to make that move.” Black announced that AMD is co-developing HBM with SK Hynix which is currently sampling the HBM memory stacks and that AMD “…is ready to work with customers.”

Minsuk Suh, principle engineer at Hynix confirmed that they are reading both 3D stacked memory for main memory and 3D stacked HBM for networking and graphics applications. JEDEC specifications for these products are “mostly finalized.”

TSV are on 40 micron pitch. HBM stacks show a 30% power reduction and a 37X size reduction over standard DDR4



So Volta has a competitor.
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Interesting....and the possibles thinking.gif
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Can we have it now please! I want something new. MORE cores already does not work. There is not much usage of it.
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Can we have it now please! I want something new. MORE cores already does not work. There is not much usage of it.


Yet... biggrin.gif
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what is the benefit of "3D stacked memory"?
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what is the benefit of "3D stacked memory"?

More memory in a smaller footprint, lower latency, and lower power consumption.

Its no wonder that AMD wants in on this, memory on-die would be awesome for their APUs.
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what is the benefit of "3D stacked memory"?

Less energy use, and much much faster throughput.
    
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I wonder if we'll get shorter video cards due to this, without the RAM chips(or just 1) I bet we could shorten the whole board by 3 inches.
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I wonder if we'll get shorter video cards due to this, without the RAM chips(or just 1) I bet we could shorten the whole board by 3 inches.

Oh, yea, we absolutely have potential for smaller products with stacked RAM.
    
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that price estimates though. 2-3X more expensive than LPDDR3, which is already much more expensive than DDR3, which is expensive right now.

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