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Greets,

Old time OC'er here going on many years from my last build as RL, family and work have consumed me the last near decade and wanted to throw together something.

I'll keep it simple and have some ideas already in mind but since I've not had the time to research much these days I thought I would come back to my home and see what you all think and recommend. I hope this isn't taken as a sign I don't do my homework as I typically do but asking a pardon this time for an old time member who's just run out of time but still wants that edge in gaming and photo/video processing.

I'll be salvaging some parts from an existing Core 2 build years ago which will be only the Corsair 800w PSU , nVidia 560 Ti 2gb and some 7200 SATA drives I use today in RAID0. The rest will be new and here's what I have spec'ed now on some vendors for purchase soon. I have and will pickup a few additional peripherals but for the core I I've got:

Motherboard: ===> ASUS Rampage IV Black Edition
Processor:=====> Intel i7 3820 Sandy Bridge
Memory: ======> 4x8gb G.Skill Ripjawz (PC3 19200 QuadKit)
Cooler: =======> Arctic i30 Extreme Cooler (coming from a 1/2" custom loop and may rebuild later, so hoping air for now if can and within budget)
Case: ========> Coolermaster HAF X Full Tower

Again, I'm coming from a 1/2" custom loop I've built back in the day and still does fine but of course coming from Core2 to LGA2011 I'll need new blocks, rad's, etc so hoping I can get something I can tweak, overclock and have room for some future upgrades. No SLI at this time but likely would upgrade it and the cooling if need be to maximize the quad-SLI the board offers.

The one thing I'm heavily worried about is the case, to ensure it fits the E-ATX format (CM states it does but have read issues on clearance with it) as well the cooling and clearance of the DIMM's and such. I've checked other boards, I've owned other boards but really want to go for the Rampage IV BE if possible but may go down a step for the Sabertooth X79 if problems come up with the layout of this above.

Thanks again for reading and helping a brother out.

Cheers,
~Icktinike
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Hi and welcome back!

I can't tell you much about that motherboard, it's too new for reliability reports, I can tell you that the Sabertooth is one of the best out there. I've been running mine since around May of last year and no problems ( well, except that Intel has had a few problems with the RSTe drivers, but now the regular RST drivers also support X79 and so far it's working fine).

As to the CPU, why do you want the i7-3820 ? The current one is the i7-4820K which has a fully unlocked multiplier, not to mention a validated PCIe 3.0 controller. Unless you are buying second hand, I'd suggest the newer one. Then again, if you're buying into the X79 platform, I'd just go for future proofing and buy the i7-4930K right away. I bought mine last year with an hexacore in mind in the future, if you're jumping in now, the Quad Core doesn't make much sense anymore, especially since the i7-4930K is made with 22nm tech, meaning less problems with heat and power consumption.

Besides, the IB-e CPUs have a better memory controller, which will go nicely with your high density modules.

As for cases, the HAF-X is already a few years old, the HAF-XM is the mid-tower version which is much newer and also supports E-ATX motherboards, and has a removable HDD cage.

http://www.coolermaster.com/product/Detail/case/mid-tower/haf-xm.html

For a full tower, the Corsair Obsidian 750D seems to be popular right now:

http://www.corsair.com/us/pc-cases/obsidian-series-pc-case/obsidian-series-750d-full-tower-atx-case.html

As for clearance of the DIMMs, having Corsair Dominators myself, the (now discontinued) Corsair A70 air cooler just fits blowing air upwards. The setup (with a Noiseblocker fan replacing the Corsair ones) works quite well, actually. Considering I have a GTX 480 right beneath with an AXP, it really works quite well.

Looking at the AC i30 though, that shroud around the 120mm fan may mean it won't fit. Mine is a really tight fit. Most people use either an AIO water cooler like the H60 / H80i / H100i or full custom with the 2011 platform to avoid clearance problems. For the price the H60 is selling for, you might as well go for it as a stopgap solution.


Hope that helps, cheers!
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Thanks tpi2007!

I've taken some of your suggestions and put them in a new cart and while it's a bit more than I had wanted; I do see the benefits in both the processor and the cooling dilemma.

Here's what's spec'ed now for the core:

  • Processor: i7-4930k (a sizable chunk upwards on $ but worth it for future proof)
  • CPU Cooling: Corsair H90 140mm AOI Water (figured the 750D had 140mm in the back, why not)
  • Motherboard: ASUS Rampage IV Black Edition
  • Memory: 32g (4x8) GSkill RipJawz DDR3 PC 19200 / CAS 9
  • Case = Corsair Obsidian 750D (I had looked at this earlier and liked the look already, was a toss up)

Now just have to discuss with the Ms. tomorrow morning and take into account any other advice/recommendations here. I like this as it's pushing the edge on both tech and price but as well future proofing how I like to build a system. My current Core2 Duo has lasted me quite awhile and still, at 4.2gh under water, keeps up with a lot of the later generation builds less the recenty 2-3 years. She's still my baby but this boy needs two lovers now smile.gif

Thanks!
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Still checking spec's and I'm wondering if the Rampage would fit in the 750D without blocking most of the cable management areas? I've seen some reviews that state an E-ATX board will fit but it's tight and can block these areas. Anyone?
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Thanks tpi2007!

I've taken some of your suggestions and put them in a new cart and while it's a bit more than I had wanted; I do see the benefits in both the processor and the cooling dilemma.

Here's what's spec'ed now for the core:

  • Processor: i7-4930k (a sizable chunk upwards on $ but worth it for future proof)
  • CPU Cooling: Corsair H90 140mm AOI Water (figured the 750D had 140mm in the back, why not)
  • Motherboard: ASUS Rampage IV Black Edition
  • Memory: 32g (4x8) GSkill RipJawz DDR3 PC 19200 / CAS 9
  • Case = Corsair Obsidian 750D (I had looked at this earlier and liked the look already, was a toss up)

Now just have to discuss with the Ms. tomorrow morning and take into account any other advice/recommendations here. I like this as it's pushing the edge on both tech and price but as well future proofing how I like to build a system. My current Core2 Duo has lasted me quite awhile and still, at 4.2gh under water, keeps up with a lot of the later generation builds less the recenty 2-3 years. She's still my baby but this boy needs two lovers now smile.gif

Thanks!
~Icky

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Originally Posted by Ictinike View Post

Still checking spec's and I'm wondering if the Rampage would fit in the 750D without blocking most of the cable management areas? I've seen some reviews that state an E-ATX board will fit but it's tight and can block these areas. Anyone?


You're welcome!

As to the cooler, you might want to check out the H100i, which will cost you only a further $10 compared to the H90 (Newegg prices right now, the H100i has a discount). Both H60 (the current version being sold), the H80i and H100i are all newer compared to the H90 and H110, the new ones come with Corsair Link (the H80i and H100i), better fans and square cold plates which, from what I've read, are easier to mount.

As to the 750D and E-ATX motherboards, there shouldn't be a a problem. I've been considering buying one myself so I have all possibilities in the future, and from these photos it seems like there won't be a problem:

Here it is with a Rampage IV Formula, a standard ATX socket 2011 motherboard, look how far away the cable management rubber padded holes are:




And here is the case with an E-ATX motherboard, it seems to fit well, at least width wise, I don't know about at the bottom, but there shouldn't be any problems there either as it's a full tower with 9 expansion slots:




The case is even specified for XL-ATX, like the MSI socket 2011 motherboard, the Big Bang XPower II, so I doubt an E-ATX won't fit with proper cable management. What exact motherboard did you read about ?



That Core 2 Duo system will make for a nice Media Center / backup computer, awesome CPU and motherboard you've got there. Those Gigabyte P45-UD3 series were some of the best ever made in that generation. (Anyway, I bet you already know all this hehe) Before I upgraded the whole platform last year, I used to have a similar system with an EP45-UD3LR and an E8400, then I upgraded the CPU to a Q9550 in late 2010 (running at 3.4 Ghz on stock voltage as a Media Center right now).

Oh, by the way, if you're interested (I've been looking into it myself, but I already have a Q9550), there is a mod guide here on OCN on how to make Xeons work on 775 motherboards. Quad Core Xeons sell for cheap on eBay, so if you'd like a more powerful backup rig, it's an interesting prospect.

http://www.overclock.net/t/1431723/mod-lga775-support-for-lga771-xeon-cpus
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Thanks for the reply again! smile.gif

Thing is I pulled the trigger off NewEgg this morning on what I detailed above.

The old UD3P is actually going to be re-purposed into my boy's PC as theirs is the one on the fritz with the old E6600 and ASUS P5N-E SLI that was mine a lot longer, lol.

For the prices of what you could get store bought, I decided to go back to the plan I've had now for the last 15 years and dad upgrades and the family gets the old system as is. My two boys are stoked to be getting the system they had always wanted to be on but I'm afraid once they see the new build; they'll have envy again, hehe.

I thought about the 110, after checking out the H60 and then the H90 and decided to just roll with the H90 for now. I also read, as you stated the newer builds with the link/etc, but I'm hoping it's a good system and as hassle free as I have read. I did go with the upgraded proc as well and it comes out to:

  • Motherboard: ASUS Rampage IV Black Edition LGA 2011 Intel X79 SATA 6Gb/s USB 3.0 Extended ATX Intel Motherboard
  • Processor: Intel Core i7-4930K Ivy Bridge-E 3.4GHz LGA 2011 130W Six-Core Desktop Processor BX80633i74930K
  • Memory: G.SKILL Ripjaws X Series 32GB (4 x 8GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 2400 (PC3 19200) Desktop Memory Model F3-2400C11Q-32GXM
  • CPU Cooling: CORSAIR Hydro Series H90 High Performance Water/Liquid CPU Cooler. 140mm
  • Peripherals: ASUS Black Blu-ray Burner SATA BW-12B1ST/BLK/G/AS (needed a new drive and why not BR!

So while the wife was not impressed with the price my ability to sell it was so all in all, if all goes well and the build comes together, I'll be happy and can look to the future if need be.

Again, thanks for the responses tpi and I greatly appreciate it. Hopefully I have more time to come back to my home here at OCN and get back into the stuff I've loved for years.

:thumb:Cheers,
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Thanks for the reply again! smile.gif

Thing is I pulled the trigger off NewEgg this morning on what I detailed above.

The old UD3P is actually going to be re-purposed into my boy's PC as theirs is the one on the fritz with the old E6600 and ASUS P5N-E SLI that was mine a lot longer, lol.

For the prices of what you could get store bought, I decided to go back to the plan I've had now for the last 15 years and dad upgrades and the family gets the old system as is. My two boys are stoked to be getting the system they had always wanted to be on but I'm afraid once they see the new build; they'll have envy again, hehe.

I thought about the 110, after checking out the H60 and then the H90 and decided to just roll with the H90 for now. I also read, as you stated the newer builds with the link/etc, but I'm hoping it's a good system and as hassle free as I have read. I did go with the upgraded proc as well and it comes out to:

  • Motherboard: ASUS Rampage IV Black Edition LGA 2011 Intel X79 SATA 6Gb/s USB 3.0 Extended ATX Intel Motherboard
  • Processor: Intel Core i7-4930K Ivy Bridge-E 3.4GHz LGA 2011 130W Six-Core Desktop Processor BX80633i74930K
  • Memory: G.SKILL Ripjaws X Series 32GB (4 x 8GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 2400 (PC3 19200) Desktop Memory Model F3-2400C11Q-32GXM
  • CPU Cooling: CORSAIR Hydro Series H90 High Performance Water/Liquid CPU Cooler. 140mm
  • Peripherals: ASUS Black Blu-ray Burner SATA BW-12B1ST/BLK/G/AS (needed a new drive and why not BR!

So while the wife was not impressed with the price my ability to sell it was so all in all, if all goes well and the build comes together, I'll be happy and can look to the future if need be.

Again, thanks for the responses tpi and I greatly appreciate it. Hopefully I have more time to come back to my home here at OCN and get back into the stuff I've loved for years.

:thumb:Cheers,
~Icky


No problem!

Good purchases and I can vouch for the Asus BD drive, bought one myself for the Media Center last year (I'm keeping the DVD-RW drive on my main rig for now). The H90 is not that old though, compared to the first H60 for example, it already features the new style of tubing.

In regards to the case, funny thing I just noticed that TechPowerUp posted a (comparatively late) review today, and, when compared to an older design, like the 800D (which is more expensive), I noticed it wasn't really geared with optical drives in mind anymore. Case in point being that, with an optical drive installed (or whatever 5.25' control panel you might want to install) it doesn't look very good as the brushed aluminium slot covers are too wide, so when you take one out, you're left with two plastic sides. I hadn't noticed this before.

Nothing that a modder can't solve though, I just thought of taking the slot cover and chopping off the middle section and then gluing the two sides next to the optical drive. And maybe with a little added clearance by trimming it, even gluing the main section to the optical drive tray (as it sits recessed as you see in the pictures on the link below). The eject button could work by ensuring the main section is glued with some type of flexible dual sided tape that can withstand a little wiggle, thus enabling you to push the panel and press the eject button. Maybe gluing the side sections alone does the trick aesthetically. Hopefully the case is a keeper and / or Corsair sells additional slot covers should you want to do away with the optical drive or sell the case. Just thought I'd let you know on my discovery. I also have an optical drive so this caught my attention.

http://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/Corsair/Obsidian_750D/5.html



As to the envy of your boys, maybe a Xeon Quad Core 775 mod will keep them happy. That'll give you an excuse to come to OCN for more info. thumb.gif

Cheers!
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Ahh good review and I see what you mean about the 5.25 optical.. yeah mine is in my man-cave (basement) anyway and I have the luxary of having no friends as well the wife is an only child so really it's my kids and the cats who would see anything and honestly I'm the biggest person who would think that sucks, lol.

For now though, I think it's fine and as you say they may release additional drive slot covers but as for selling it at a later time I guess that's possible but I reuse them so much I get a good 10+ years out of a case these days. Not that I wouldn't like new every once in awhile it's just one of those things biggrin.gif

So again, I thank you so much and it's hard to come back to a site after a long absence and find good a good response, within minutes from quality peeps. Why I was here in the first place and hope to make a contribution back into the community someday. I'll have to go see if anyone is still around that I remember, hehe. thumb.gif
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