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[Over a year ago I built a Personal Computer for the first time. Since then I have been uncertain that I have been able to obtain the level of performance that I should be able to obtain in graphically intensive games such as Crysis series, Battlefield 3, and Metro 2033. I have little clue what could be causing performance issues in games with my 3GB Sapphire Radeon HD 7970 Dual-X graphics card. I have spoken with other computer enthusiast forums and was not able to resolve my issue. There was one discussion where it seemed that we were starting to get somewhere, but the discussion unfortunately stalled and never continued. This remains unresolved over a year later also due to the fact that I needed to replace my motherboard due to an issue with my Wi-Fi, and subsequent trouble I had with the motherboard manufacturer’s costumer service.

Once I started gaming on my PC I noticed that performance was far below what It should be. Especially in Crysis 1 at max settings, 8x AA and 1920x1200 resolution, once I acquired the game. Until I disabled Supersampling, my fps during Crysis 1 gameplay hovered in the 30s. FPS was also low in Crysis 2, Battlefield 3, Metro 2033, and other graphically intensive games at max settings and 1920x1200. A significant performance jump occurred in all of my games once I switched over to multisampling in catalyst control center. I also experienced a small performance boost by switching to the second BIOS on the graphics card, which bumped up clock speeds to 1ghz for the GPU and 1,450 Mhz for the memory. Despite the jump these steps provided I still doubt that I am getting the performance I should be getting in games given all of the gameplay videos I looked at on youtube (by Radeon HD 7970 users) and benchmarks all over the Internet. I am not sure either of the results I am getting in the Unigine Heaven 4.0 and Valley 1.0 benchmarks. One computer forum that I spoke with however thought that my 3d Mark 11 score (using the performance preset) was right within the ballpark. Installing up to date graphics drivers and motherboard BIOS, has done very little to improve performance.

In closing I do realize that the Crysis series is highly demanding of even the highest end PC hardware. Crysis 1 has been said to be poorly optimized even by developer Crytek. However, I am still very baffled and disappointed about the performance I am getting given the evidence leaning towards my system underperforming. If my PC is indeed underperforming, I need some help finding the root cause, so I can fix it. This concerns me for the future given that games will inevitably become more demanding over time. I already replaced my graphics card before I disabled supersampling AA as I had no clue that it was such an unnecessary and a huge performance hog. As I mentioned at the beginning of this post, my motherboard was replaced just recently thus ruling out a bad PCI-E slot. My motherboard BIOS and graphics drivers are completely up to date. Below are my PC specs as well as the most recent benchmark results. I apologize for the length of this post and any help is greatly appreciated.
My PC specifications:

Intel Core i7 3770k
Asus P8Z77-V Pro/Thuderbolt
Sapphire Radeon HD 7970 OC Dual X 3GB (Clockspeeds: 1000/1450)
Cooler Master Hyper 612 CPU cooler
Corsair Vengeance 16GB LP
SeaSonic Platinum 860 PSU
Corsair Carbide 500r Case

Benchmark results:
Crysis 1 Demo GPU benchmark (Max Settings, 1920x1200, 8x MSAA)
Avg 45 FPS
Crysis 2 (Max Settings, 1920x1200, 4x MSAA, no Edge AA)
Times Square: Avg 74.2 FPS
Downtown: Avg 68.5 FPS
Central Park: Avg 62.9 FPS
Metro 2033 Benchmark (Max Settings, AAA, Depth of Field Enabled, 1920x1200)
Avg 42.33 FPS
Battlefield 3: Operation Swordbreaker (Max Settings, 4x MSAA, 1920x1200)
FPS: 50s – 108
Unigine Heaven 4.0 Benchmark (Max Settings, 1920x1200, 8x MSAA)
Avg 31.3 FPS
Unigine Valley 1.0 Benchmark (Max Settings, 1920x1200, 8x MSAA)
Avg 37.6 FPS
3d Mark 11 Benchmark (Performance Preset)
Score: 9724
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based on your 3DMark11 score it seems like your cpu is at stock. oc it to at least 4.3 - 4.4. have you monitored your gpu/cpu usage?
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based on your 3DMark11 score it seems like your cpu is at stock. oc it to at least 4.3 - 4.4. have you monitored your gpu/cpu usage?
I am not interested in overclocking just yet. I am concerned about getting the performance I should be getting already. I might consider overclocking when I feel that I have the knowledge to do it without breaking anything. How do I monitor gpu/cpu usage in game?
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Your performance seems about right for a stock 3770k and 7970.
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Your performance seems about right for a stock 3770k and 7970.

Not according to these benchmarks:

http://www.vortez.net/articles_pages/his_radeon_hd_7970_3gb_review,12.html

http://www.techspot.com/review/481-amd-radeon-7970/page5.html

http://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/AMD/HD_7970_GHz_Edition/13.html
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not sure about one review but the first and the last one you linked . . . check out the test setups. both cpus were oc'ed.

compare this to your score . . .

http://www.3dmark.com/3dm11/5813770

i am not saying you should oc a lot but just a tad bit until you see Minimum fps that is acceptable for 1200 rez. first, though,your cpu cooler may not be up to snuff. anyway, to check for usage you can use Windows own system monitor for the cpu and MSI Afterburner for the GPU. i had problems with MSI AB, so for a quick test i use HwInfo64. i let it run in the background and check after a few minutes of playing a game.

edit: BTW, all those reviews are old. meaning they were using drivers during those periods. you should look recent reviews like newer than Oct 2012 when 12.11 came out. just to give you an idea how driver old and new differs . . .

old

http://www.3dmark.com/3dm11/4519473

newer

http://www.3dmark.com/3dm11/7288276

less oc but beats the other.
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Looking at the numbers, your performance looks right on the money. If you wish to increase performance further with your current setup, you will have to overclock the CPU and/or GPU. Also, there is the option of getting a second HD 7970 or 290x for Crossfire. That's sure to increase performance a bit.

You should overclock your CPU before you do anything else, though. Those processors really shine when overclocked.
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not sure about one review but the first and the last one you linked . . . check out the test setups. both cpus were oc'ed.

compare this to your score . . .

http://www.3dmark.com/3dm11/5813770.

In think you just might be right, I looked again at the benchmarks, and they do have overclocked CPU's. Someone that responded to a thread I made on another forum did say my Crysis 1 fps was low compared to what he was getting. This individual suggested do a clean install of my graphics drivers, which I tried. As I said in my original post the discussion stalled on this other forum. If it continued, it is possible that overclocking would have been mentioned. I did not know that overclocking would provide That big of a performance boost for gaming. I thought it would smaller than that. I have also been out of the loop for many years on PC hardware and this is my first time actually building a PC. I feel like a bit of a dunce now after finding out this information. redface.gif
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Looking at the numbers, your performance looks right on the money. If you wish to increase performance further with your current setup, you will have to overclock the CPU and/or GPU. Also, there is the option of getting a second HD 7970 or 290x for Crossfire. That's sure to increase performance a bit.

You should overclock your CPU before you do anything else, though. Those processors really shine when overclocked.
Any links to good resources on overclocking?
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