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post #1 of 8
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Hello All,

I would like to start and apologize for any inconsistencies during this post. I don't usually post to forums I just read them. The builds I have done in the past were all AMD based. Just to give you a reference, the last build I did was before DDR2 came out. I am starting to build my first Intel computer ever and would like some advice on the components I have picked for the build. I have already ordered all of the parts and everything is here except for the PSU.

Build Components:

CPU - Intel Core i7 4770K

Memory - Kingston HyperX Beast 16 GB 2400MHz DDR3

Graphics - EVGA GeForce GTX780 SuperClocked w/EVGA ACX Cooler

Cooling - Corsair H100i

Hardrive - Plextor 128G SSD PX-128M5PRO

Secondary - Seagate Hybrid Drive 2TB

Motherboard - AsRock Z87 Chipset - ASRock Z87 Extreme6/ac

PSU - 1200W Corsair AX1200w

Case - CM Storm Stryker


Things I am worried about:

The main thing I am worried about is heat and performance when I combine these components.

Haswell - I have read that this architecture seems to cause more heat issues because they use a thermal compound opposed to solder in older architectures. I bought the 4770K with the intention to OC and it worries me that I am going to have heat issues right out the gate. However, it seemed the best option for my price range.

Motherboard - I chose the motherboard because of the nice features it offered, but now that I am reading more reviews I am a little skeptical of the performance. I also read that heat issues that might arise when overclocking. I would consider the Extreme 9/ac Z87 or something similar if the performance would equal the value.

Case/Cooling - I believe I read somewhere in this forum that the case and cooling system I have combined may cause negative air pressure. I would rather not have to clean my case out once a week as I am generally lazy. Is there a way I can get a fan adjuster to calibrate this myself?


Things I plan on:

I do not plan on doing any major overclocking until I have the money to build a Custom liquid cooling system. I really just want to do this to say I did it.

I also want to stick more GTX780's in the system as I need them thus the massive power supply. This is also the reason I am considering going with the extreme 9/ac as well.

I also plan on doing a lot of hardcore calculations with this PC including tasks that require rendering and other things that would resemble benchmarks.


I still have a little while to ship the parts back to upgrade or side-step to other components. Let me know what you think.


Again, I haven't been into the Hardware portion of this in a while so feel free to correct me on any major concepts I am missing.

Thanks
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Originally Posted by Vanwylder View Post

Hello All,
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I would like to start and apologize for any inconsistencies during this post. I don't usually post to forums I just read them. The builds I have done in the past were all AMD based. Just to give you a reference, the last build I did was before DDR2 came out. I am starting to build my first Intel computer ever and would like some advice on the components I have picked for the build. I have already ordered all of the parts and everything is here except for the PSU.

Build Components:

CPU - Intel Core i7 4770K

Memory - Kingston HyperX Beast 16 GB 2400MHz DDR3

Graphics - EVGA GeForce GTX780 SuperClocked w/EVGA ACX Cooler

Cooling - Corsair H100i

Hardrive - Plextor 128G SSD PX-128M5PRO

Secondary - Seagate Hybrid Drive 2TB

Motherboard - AsRock Z87 Chipset - ASRock Z87 Extreme6/ac

PSU - 1200W Corsair AX1200w

Case - CM Storm Stryker

Things I am worried about:

The main thing I am worried about is heat and performance when I combine these components.

Haswell - I have read that this architecture seems to cause more heat issues because they use a thermal compound opposed to solder in older architectures. I bought the 4770K with the intention to OC and it worries me that I am going to have heat issues right out the gate. However, it seemed the best option for my price range.

Motherboard - I chose the motherboard because of the nice features it offered, but now that I am reading more reviews I am a little skeptical of the performance. I also read that heat issues that might arise when overclocking. I would consider the Extreme 9/ac Z87 or something similar if the performance would equal the value.

Case/Cooling - I believe I read somewhere in this forum that the case and cooling system I have combined may cause negative air pressure. I would rather not have to clean my case out once a week as I am generally lazy. Is there a way I can get a fan adjuster to calibrate this myself?


Things I plan on:

I do not plan on doing any major overclocking until I have the money to build a Custom liquid cooling system. I really just want to do this to say I did it.

I also want to stick more GTX780's in the system as I need them thus the massive power supply. This is also the reason I am considering going with the extreme 9/ac as well.

I also plan on doing a lot of hardcore calculations with this PC including tasks that require rendering and other things that would resemble benchmarks.


I still have a little while to ship the parts back to upgrade or side-step to other components. Let me know what you think.


Again, I haven't been into the Hardware portion of this in a while so feel free to correct me on any major concepts I am missing.

Thanks

If you are worried about heat, upgrade the H100i to a H110. It will lower temperatures by a noticeable amount. Especially if you replace the fans with some bgears b-Blaster 140mm fans. Have a static pressure more than 2x over stock fans.

If you are willing to spend more money on the motherboard, go with the ASRock Z87 OC Formula. The Extreme6 is a solid choice, but if you want to have fun the OC Formula is where it is at.

If you are concerned about case airflow stick to general rule of thumb. All intake, one exhaust. That will help with pressure levels. Add in some fan filters and you are set.

Even though you don't plan on doing major overclocking, you shouldn't be worried about heat all that much either. Both on the CPU and motherboard components. If that's the case, then stick with the Extreme6. The H110 will still be a nice performance bump though over the H100i.

Unless you are going with 3 780's, and plan on overvolting them the PSU is overkill. You really only need a 750-800W for 2 cards, that's if you plan on overvolting them. And that PSU isn't the best choice either, look through this list: http://www.overclock.net/t/183810/faq-recommended-power-supplies
post #3 of 8
Thread Starter 
Thanks for the response BiG StroOnZ,

Your definitely right about the power supply. When I bought it I thought I was getting the AX1200i and found out it wasn't when I looked at the order. Also, I don't think I'll ever need 1200w, but I will be adding at least another GTX780 (probably just the one depending on how I am going to use the GPU) and I want to make a Custom water cooling rig with at least two radiators. Granted this will be in the distant future, but I will hopefully be able to do it eventually. I also might want raid 5 in the future. What wattage would you recommend with that in mind?

If you really think the H110 would be a lot better I might go with that. I was just under the impression that the H100i would be better for automatic fan adjustment depending on the load. I might have read something wrong to make me believe that.

As for the motherboard I was looking at that and it does seem to be in about the same price range right now. Would you recommend any other boards about the same price?

Thanks for the advice on the Air Pressure. I'll keep that in mind.
post #4 of 8
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Originally Posted by Vanwylder View Post

Thanks for the response BiG StroOnZ,

Your definitely right about the power supply. When I bought it I thought I was getting the AX1200i and found out it wasn't when I looked at the order. Also, I don't think I'll ever need 1200w, but I will be adding at least another GTX780 (probably just the one depending on how I am going to use the GPU) and I want to make a Custom water cooling rig with at least two radiators. Granted this will be in the distant future, but I will hopefully be able to do it eventually. I also might want raid 5 in the future. What wattage would you recommend with that in mind?

If you really think the H110 would be a lot better I might go with that. I was just under the impression that the H100i would be better for automatic fan adjustment depending on the load. I might have read something wrong to make me believe that.

As for the motherboard I was looking at that and it does seem to be in about the same price range right now. Would you recommend any other boards about the same price?

Thanks for the advice on the Air Pressure. I'll keep that in mind.

If you plan on heavily overclocking your cards in SLI configuration, you probably want a 750-800w PSU. If you are going SLI, and don't plan to really overclock them much, 650-700 will do. With everything else you suggest, radiators, pumps, many HD's and/or SSD's. Then 800-850 should still do with an SLI setup.

The automatic fan adjustment in my opinion is not really very helpful, plus I heard the Corsair software is a little buggy. I rather have a nice fan controller with some y-connectors on them and have two fans rigged to one channel on the fan controller. Much easier fan control IMO. When you know you are doing something heavy, you turn up the fan controller. When you are not, you turn it down. Pretty simple stuff.

Besides ASRock, I would look at the Gigabyte Z87X-UD3H or UD4H. That's in Extreme6 price range. In OC Formula price range, you got the Z87-UD5 TH and the GA-Z87X-OC.

Realistically with Haswell, unless you are looking at features. The more expensive boards generally don't help you all that much in increasing your overclock potential.

As far as fan management goes:



(of course with your front fans as intake also)
post #5 of 8
I would drop the Kingston and go with GSkill Trident...http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820231589. Cheaper and faster.

Also I would drop the ASRock board (I've had three of them die on me recently) and go for the Asus Maximus Gene...http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813131975. Same price.

With the little money saved on the memory you could treat yourself to an additional SSD for Raid 0 biggrin.gif
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^ that is exactly what iw as going to say, to go with either asrock top of the line, or go with the asus maximus for the same price

also look @ switech h220s - you can swap it later to be part of your custom water loop.

Also I know this is a year away but do note, that next year with the new lines that it will be DDR4 (said to be minimal 2400 mhz)
    
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Yep! change that PSU - seasonic would be my choice or any other that make their own thumb.gif
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You dont need more then 750 watts for 2 video cards and 1000 watts for 3

As said above look elsewhere then Corsair as you can find just as good cheaper
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