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...Inefficient lightbulbs on the other hand are still the most commonly available in most stores, and cam be replaced with efficient ones that cost pocket change and can be replaced in 30 seconds by anyone who has a working wrist and 2 fingers...

I have some fixtures with bulbs that I would like to see you replace in 30 seconds with a working wrist and two fingers (especially if the wrist and fingers have arthritis like mine do). biggrin.gif CFLs saved me a lot of time and pain with those fixtures and allowed me to get more light without exceeding the capacity of the fixtures (the old eyes aren't as good as they used to be, either).
     
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...Inefficient lightbulbs on the other hand are still the most commonly available in most stores, and cam be replaced with efficient ones that cost pocket change and can be replaced in 30 seconds by anyone who has a working wrist and 2 fingers...

I have some fixtures with bulbs that I would like to see you replace in 30 seconds with a working wrist and two fingers (especially if the wrist and fingers have arthritis like mine do). biggrin.gif CFLs saved me a lot of time and pain with those fixtures and allowed me to get more light without exceeding the capacity of the fixtures (the old eyes aren't as good as they used to be, either).

I think there is a joke in here somewhere about how many OCN members and a light bulb...
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I think there is a joke in here somewhere about how many OCN members and a light bulb...

lachen.giflachen.giflachen.giflachen.gif It's gone past being just a joke and has gone well into farce territory, home of the Luddite Lounge.
Edited by Lady Fitzgerald - 1/3/14 at 9:55am
     
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It makes a lot more sense to make legislation regarding lightbulbs than windows.

Point taken. I guess the points I was trying to make were actually more off-topic.

edit: like how the money saved using these things is pretty well absorbed into your energy budget if you're already paying $300/month to not freeze in the winter time.
Edited by un-midas touch - 1/3/14 at 10:33am
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This whole energy efficient and green initiative is another run for your money. Just like the Phoebus cartel of the 1900s who actively stifled innovation and product quality in order to maintain consistent consumption and profit. We had incandescent light bulbs that lasted over 5000hrs some even lasting over 10,000hrs but efficiency was negatively impacting profits (heck there's a bulb that's claimed to have lasted 110years at the Livermore Fire Dept. in California and the bulb has outlived the many webcams set to record it). The Phoebus cartel decided to standardize the light bulb industry with 1000hr incandescent light bulbs. Companies who made bulbs that lasted longer than a 1000hrs had to pay a fine. As industrialized countries developed and population increased, it also increased energy consumption. Energy companies either had to build more power plants or reduce consumption but at the same time maintain profits. Then CFLs were introduced around the same time the dotcom boom started taking off. Unlike light bulbs which are turned off from time to time, computers need to be on 24/7 in order for the internet to function. This digital boom put even more pressure on a already stressed energy infrastructure. I believe this is one of the main reasons energy companies are scrambling to search for alternative energy sources like solar and LEDs, because it's cheaper than building and maintaining power plants.

Why increase the production of energy when you can sell consumers the idea that they can produce their own energy? A few years down the line newer and more efficient solar panels and alternative energy sources will be introduced and energy companies will get you to upgrade. The never ending cycle of innovation and consumption.

P.S. - It's not cheap to go green, this thread already discusses the cost of LED bulbs vs CFL. Look at so-called hybrid vehicles (Chevy Volt, Toyota Prius) and full electric (Nissan Leaf, Tesla Model S), going green ain't cheap. If going green was a genuine concern it would be heavily subsidized by the government, but it's not. It's just another scheme attacking your guilty conscience for more of your hard earned cash. A double edged sword/two birds with one stone so to speak, on one side you really do save on energy costs but on the other side do these savings justify the initial cost to switch and how long must you use that product to recoup the initial costs before you really start saving.
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I switched all of my bulbs to CFL more than two years ago, and when the price of LED's comes down a little more, I'll switch to them. The only place I splurge on energy, so to speak, is on my computer. If I can save money somewhere else, I'll do it. I see no need to be a Luddite and stick to a century-old technology for light bulbs just to make some kind of political statement.

Agreed. I'll save money anywhere I can. But I want my computer to do what I want it to do, and if it needs a little more juice to do it, then that's fine by me. (That is, until they pass legislation that says I have to use a new CPU that cost me 10x more because its 'more efficient').

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Pretty much all modern windows, appliances, etc are ALREADY efficient. Good luck going to the store and buying a inefficient dish washer in North American store.

The thing is, how often do you replace your refrigerator or windows? I know the ones in my apartment are at LEAST 40 years old, would be expensive and difficult to replace, and we aren't allowed to even if we want to.


Inefficient lightbulbs on the other hand are still the most commonly available in most stores, and cam be replaced with efficient ones that cost pocket change and can be replaced in 30 seconds by anyone who has a working wrist and 2 fingers


It makes a lot more sense to make legislation regarding lightbulbs than windows.
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Pretty much all modern windows, appliances, etc are ALREADY efficient. Good luck going to the store and buying a inefficient dish washer in North American store.

The thing is, how often do you replace your refrigerator or windows? I know the ones in my apartment are at LEAST 40 years old, would be expensive and difficult to replace, and we aren't allowed to even if we want to.


Inefficient lightbulbs on the other hand are still the most commonly available in most stores, and cam be replaced with efficient ones that cost pocket change and can be replaced in 30 seconds by anyone who has a working wrist and 2 fingers


It makes a lot more sense to make legislation regarding lightbulbs than windows.

No.

It makes more sense to change the light bulbs in your own home, at your own will, yes.

It makes no sense for any government to waste their time writing such legislation that bans a perfectly safe light bulbs, to promote bulb that contains mercury. If I'm supposed to be responsible and open a window when this new bulb breaks and dispose of the broken bulb properly, why can't they let me be responsible and choose my own light bulb?
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This whole energy efficient and green initiative is another run for your money.

Hit the nail on the head, I am pro LED, I am pro Green, I am anti Al Gore. I seriously believe An Inconvenient Truth was deployed as a brainwashing tool, in middle school. My entire state (MA) was forced to watch the movie in science class. I realize now that it was a state sponsored brainwashing trick to show the movie to young kids. I know we are destroying out environment, but what Al Gore and the government are doing in attempts to fix that are wrong.

This is just another "legal cartel" that is being run by the 1% to stay in power, it doesn't take a sociologist to see that this is a recurring pattern in our society (national, as well as global).
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Agreed. I'll save money anywhere I can. But I want my computer to do what I want it to do, and if it needs a little more juice to do it, then that's fine by me. (That is, until they pass legislation that says I have to use a new CPU that cost me 10x more because its 'more efficient').

No.

It makes more sense to change the light bulbs in your own home, at your own will, yes.

It makes no sense for any government to waste their time writing such legislation that bans a perfectly safe light bulbs, to promote bulb that contains mercury. If I'm supposed to be responsible and open a window when this new bulb breaks and dispose of the broken bulb properly, why can't they let me be responsible and choose my own light bulb?

If I'm supposed to be responsible enough to wear a seatbelt while I drive, why can't they let me be responsible and drive without a licence?
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If I'm supposed to be responsible enough to wear a seatbelt while I drive, why can't they let me be responsible and drive without a licence?


You have to take a test to prove you know wth you are doing behind the wheel of a +2000lbs metal object at 60mph. That is something that puts others in immediate danger. Using an incandescent light bulb is not.
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You have to take a test to prove you know wth you are doing behind the wheel of a +2000lbs metal object at 60mph. That is something that puts others in immediate danger. Using an incandescent light bulb is not.

It has already been established that the government has the power of regulation. Immediate danger is not a requirement for regulation. Government is regulating incandescent light bulb for the greater good.... like lead paint or lead in gas.
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